Oh please, let's not stop talking about penis'
The Brown would be my second choice.
Having looked at the evidence now, it is obvious LA was doping. My difference with the USADA comes in their choice of words. It wasn't a very sophisticated scheme by US Postal, it seems to me to be very unsophisticated, albeit very widespread and well known about, and, ironically, it would be USADA incompetence that is to blame for Armstrong getting away with it for so long. The USADA was one step behind all the time and they were just too simplistic in their approach. Imagine not testing at night, even when they knew of glow time on EPO. Really, just fucking stupid. Glow time was the key and the USADA seems to be unaware of it. Now, with these revelations, they seem to be saying 'we got you, we are great', to which I say, it took you 12 years to get someone when one season of testing the team at different times in 24 hours would have caught them. USADA has to share some of the blame for this fiasco.
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And yet you had to post the story a second time? KC! Stop doing cluezo's job!Originally Posted by cluezo
No. 2 ... One more to go.
Now who's stalking who, you sick fuck?
4 more years!
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Meanwhile, in the world of professional sports and doping...
Dishonesty ... tch tch tch.
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No Skippy jokes.
"Lance Armstrong was stripped of his seven Tour de France titles and banned for life on Monday" "Lance Armstrong has no place in cycling. Lance Armstrong deserves to be forgotten in cycling," In ur face u cheat!
^and in that are you including the entire era, including all those French riders who couldn't quite manage to beat LA, despite the dope...
I agree, and I think the lion's share at that, but are we now to believe Armstong was the only one at it?
The entire sport and any/all awards over this period in time must now be in doubt. What about second and third placings?
Other sports?
Sheesh.
I can see lawn bowls being hit badly by this.
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"The entire sport and any/all awards over this period in time must now be in doubt. What about second and third placings?" I agree, a journalist published an article in the sports newspaper"l'equipe" and found out that during Armstrong's reign (7 years) only 3 riders in the top 10 were not involved in any cases of drug abuse incident, scary!
As do the riders, as do the race organisers and the governing body.
Trying to detect something that is almost undetecable isn't easy though.
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Yep, they will almost certainly declare those titles void.
I wonder if they will do anything about the winners directly before Armstrong. The winners from 96-98 (Riis, Ullrich and Pantani) have all admitted doping or have been strongly implicated in doping scandals.
But, when you listen to Tyler Hamilton, it really wasn't that difficult to do, the doping was done in a very unsophisticated way. The USADA is trying to make out that this was some elaborate scheme that was soooo difficult to detect - it wasn't. Hamilton just didn't answer the door when he was 'glowing' and he even thought about making a back door to his apartment as an escape route. Really, this was unsophisticated. The testers were at fault because they never came at night. Also, there was no pre-race testing. The riders all knew the testing regime, they knew how to avoid it and it was a joke amongst them. The USADA is as much at fault here as any other organisation, including the UCI and the various teams.
EPO was entirely detectable, so were blood transfusions. They just didn't work out a regime to catch ALL the riders on tour. Really, it was a simple thing to do. They just needed to do a night swoop on all the training camps and then start pre-race testing. Do that and you would catch a hell of a lot of them.
Here's the revisionist view of Lance Armstrong's career ... if only they had done this, that, the other. Still, there's no evidence that Armstrong was ever caught red-handed, despite hundreds of tests.
Well, now one of Armstrong's advertisers wants some or all of $12 million bonus money paid to him returned based on the decision to strip him of his Tour de France wins. This story is far from over ...
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