first a link.....
Pete Rose's Ballot Eligibility Expires
Pete Rose's eligibility for the baseball writers' Hall of Fame ballot expired Monday when the 2006 candidates were announced
Following an investigation of his gambling, Rose agreed in August 1989 to a lifetime ban. The Hall's board of directors voted unanimously in February 2001 that anyone on the permanently ineligible list couldn't appear on the BBWAA ballot.
Rose, baseball's career hits leader, applied for reinstatement in September 1997 and met with commissioner Bud Selig in November 2002. His efforts to end his suspension appeared to falter after he admitted in his 2004 autobiography, "Pete Rose: My Prison Without Bars," that he bet on the Cincinnati Reds while managing the teams in the late 1980s.
and now my two satang...
rose was the greatest hitter of his generation, and perhaps of all time. his nickname (charlie hustle) was well earned---who can forget that play a the plate in the all-star game? it was the all-star game for god's sake!
as far as his gambling is concerned, i see it as a non-issue. the gambling didn't happen when he was a player, and he certainly wouldn't be under consideration for the hall as a manager, so what's the problem?
i heard an interesting analogy a couple of years ago......if someone were caught plagiarizing in graduate school, the offender would be kicked out, BUT they couldn't take away any undergraduate degree the offender had previously earned.
MLB is trying to send a message, but they've chosen the wrong battle.
i say "let him in!"
Of course he does. What he did was reprehensible but had nothing to do with his ability. I hated him his whole career, but he belongs in there. Not in a small way but in a first ballot entry. Dammit
Too long in Exile, too long not singing my song.
Too long like a rolling stone, Too long in exile
Too long in Exile, baby you just arent my friend.
Too long in Exile my friend, Baby you can never go home again.
ray - did you do the phuket trialthlon?
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it's this weekend. and no, i'm not doing it....too many joint problems....it's no fun getting old. :sad:
hopefully next year.
"A man has got to know his limitations."
I grew up being, and have always been a Cincinnati Reds fan. Started watching them and traveling to Riverfront to see them in the late '60s. I lived and breathed the Big Red Machine of the '70s. And I agree that he is arguably the greatest hitter ever. But rules are rules. He bet on the game, period. Doesn't matter if he was a manager or player. As a matter of fact, managers should be held to a higher standard. The Hall is reserved for players who excelled above others, respected the game and above all, respected the rules. Rose did not. Letting him would not only be setting a bad a president, but open the door for other similar cases. Baseball is not trying to send a message. Their sticking to tradition. The game is too traditional to ever let this happen. All the bad publicity with steroids lately, there's no way in hell that Rose gets in, nor should he. I say, if anyone, let "shoeless" Joe in before Rose.Originally Posted by raycarey
I'm a life long fan of the Reds, Bengals and Buckeyes ... and I'm with Kingdom on this one. Many of us Ohio boys grew up imitating Pete Rose on the diamond thinking we could be pros one day even though we were way short on talent. Especially those like me who weren't even good enough to play on the sandlot team
By the way, Pete Rose is in the Hall of Fame anyway. All kinds of items from his career are there. The only thing missing basically is his bust.
I've got a small scar on my chin from a Pete Rose imitation when I was 7.
He was my hero. Joe Morgan, Johnny Bench, Perez, Foster, Concepcion, the lot.
But Rose shouldn't be in the HOF.
The sad part is that a lot of others ARE in the Hall that wouldn't be if they got caught.
i spent a few years growing up in the suburbs of cincinnati and phildelphia (i saw rose play as a red and a phillie, sat in the huge mit at 'johnny bench's home plate', collected hudephol (sp?) beer cans that detailed their world series achievements, etc...), and i know full well of how people from that region of the country idolized him and the members of the big red machine.
from what i've seen in interviews and news reports rose seems to be a fairly reprehensible person (and what's up with that hair?), but IMO he got those 4,000 + hits as a player---and that is why he should be inducted.
Da punk ass white boy should be in da big house wit all da convicts. If'n he was a brutha you crackers wouldn't give a damn.
The fact that he was a manager at the time he bet doesn't change anything. He was a member of a major league baseball team and I'm sure he knew the risk he was taking when he was placing his bets. Doesn't MLB have the right to uphold their rules and hold members of their organization accountable for their actions?Originally Posted by raycarey
of course they do, but (as i understand it) individuals are inducted as either players or managers. joe torre will never get in as a player, but he's got a good shot as a manager.
All 4,000 hits came before he did the deed. Again let him in. He has more than served his punishment. What is he doing now? I saw his son was just indited on some kind of drug charge.
How many years for gambling?? Got to be over 15 now.
If Rose is inducted, why not Joe Jackson? I know it was a different era, but the guy was a .357 lifetime batter, never admitted being apart of the scandal, and tore the cover off the ball in that series. MLB has to take a stand, especially now. I honestly think that if there wasn't all the "steroid talk" surrounding baseball now, MLB would probably at least consider inducting Rose. (and if he were actually a decent human being) But they are doing some serious damage control with regards to their image.
No way he's ever inducted. And what's the point now. I mean, Rose is remembered now more for gambling and being a smug egotistical prik and less for his accomplishments on the field. If the guy had kept his mouth shut, not written a tell-all book to make a buck, he would have been remembered in a better light. At least in the court of public opinion.
4 more years!
Seriously, he is - was - one of the greatest.
He did bet on baseball.
I seriously don`t know, now, after thinking he should get in for several years.
Regardless, Pete is one of the best. He was a man before the steroids and self-centered egos of prima donnas.....
When baseball was a team. A city.