Thread: When School Directors Lose The Plot

At some places possibly it's an intimidation and power trip ting....I'd not say for all though.....even if I'm late nothing really happens.

Agree to disagree overall though as I suppose it depends on the individual.



Yeah....come on hypothetically answer it mate....pwease

if you don't like it, leave.


a job's just a job. oh, and signing in isn't prostituting yourself. jeez, some of you guys...

if you don't like it, leave.

The usual crap argument, if you don't like it move somewhere else. If the schools get selective and start wanting proper qualified teachers I guess you'll be ready to fly out on the next plane?


As an educator and as a professional I can see no benefit of signing in and out, maybe some ex-factory workers like it, but there is no way in hell that a qualified teacher is going to sign in and out in any other country and the only reason that some schools get away with it is because some of the detritus that profess to be teachers let them.

I don't think anyone is saying they like it Halt mate....rather it's not a biggie.

of the same three or four people who would wander in any old time it suited them.

Was it them?

i guess you've never been an employer eh? wonder why.

Actually Unwell you should never assume things.

i'm qualified

That depends on where you teach and what you teach!

you really think that no other teaching gig in anyother country requires you to be accountable of sticking to the hours you get paid for?

Personally I do the work that is required which is often more than I am contracted for and I work in my own time as well. I don't have to sign in and I have full resources at my disposal yet I hold myself accountable if I do a bad job and I put in the required time and effort to ensure that everything I do meets my own high standards.

Schools should be more selective in who they hire, more selective in who manages staff, in fact they should just be better managed.

As I said I will not work for a school that insists on swiping in and out every day. I don't need to do it, I come and go on time and I do the job to the best of my ability.

This catch 22 where schools leave it to the last minute to recruit the cheapest white face and then have the balls to complain about the problem of their own devising is tantamount to not being able to see the wood for the trees.

as a direct consequence of the same three or four people who would wander in any old time it suited them.

Good management would have given a verbal warning to the teachers followed by a written warning and then got rid of them. There are adequate procedures to follow to deal with this situation.

signing in makes no sense to me...a time clock at a factory does...finger print clock in things are lunacy, complete and utter lunacy and just a king working on the subjects of his fiefdom...

i sign in at the end of the month for all the day i worked that month...i come to school when i'm expected to teach...i may chat a bit with my collegues after my classes are finished and then i'm out...i rarely miss days...when i do i call ahead and that's that...

...the signing in is for the Thai admins...my boss tells me that...he also jokingly says if i sign in i can get paid and if i don't i won't...so i do i payday...

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...and then i go get some cheap pussy...

The signing in and signing out procedure using a book (physically written in with a pen) is certainly no biggie - but it's open to abuse. This is often where the problems lie. Human beings are by and large not a very honest lot. There is always some member of staff who will try to bend the rules or be naughty when he/she thinks no one is looking. Come on - who hasn't signed in at 8.55 when the time is really 9.10? There's no one looking so go for it big boy.

Every school I've ever worked at has had one farang teacher screw up a system or a benefit for everyone else. The classic for me has always been the long distance phone call system. If a teacher wants to call home during office hours, he makes the call and enters the time and length of the call in a book. Cometh the end of the month and the arrival of the itemized phone bill, one of the receptionists goes and collects the money off the teacher. What could be simpler? But no - there is always one phone call to London or Seattle that cost 187 baht and incredibly no one in the teacher's room ever made it. End result - now no one is allowed to make long distance phone calls.

Of course that style of management where you punish everyone for one individual's wrongdoing is so very Thai, but we won't go down that route.

How about the school where the new hire foreign teacher becomes the pet of the program director, who is a pet of the school director. He is unprofessional has no work ethics, does what he pleases(fights with other very good and professional teachers on more than one occasion), makes the staffroom unusable, no signing in, no meetings, then when other new hires follow his lead, the program deteriorates(sp)and others start to complain (Thai teachers and foreign), there's a staff change---guess who the school keeps?----The director at that school has lost the plot.....hey they have a listing here on ajarn....anyone need a job?