Not all jobs are like that though. Clearly there is a divide between the 1 hour a week "communication" courses (a.k.a. as farang clown act - been there and done it!) and real English teaching where the kids learn everything in English.Originally Posted by kenkannif
Instructor v teacher I think! Instructors just need a TEFL but teachers need to be real teachers as its a lot harder to teach the same kids everday - day after day - and keep it interesting and educational.
30-35k for instructors (inc all those 45+ year old divorced aussies/yanks looking for a new wife ) and 50-70k for qualified teachers makes sense as the former only want "beer money" but the latter have more choices around the world so need better treatment (like longer WP's)
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No of course not all jobs are like that here...but I think the majority are no???Originally Posted by Nemo.
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Neither would I mate, that's why I referred to them as someone's child. But, hey, lets not split hairsOriginally Posted by kenkannif
Wow! everything in English...oh, I get it. You are talking about a classroom in England or Canada. My bad, I thought you were talking about Thailand."Not all jobs are like that though. Clearly there is a divide between the 1 hour a week "communication" courses (a.k.a. as farang clown act - been there and done it!) and real English teaching where the kids learn everything in English."
In Thailand, the students are mainly given a small amount of English per week. Yes, there are a few schools that may give more, but the Majority do not!
Do they learn Buddhism, Thai, Thai dancing and Thai art all in English?
Cause I think those things are best taught in Thai.
Miles and miles to go before I sleep...
I dont know as I have been in the university system for a while.
My kids 5 hours a week of reading, and writing, with a bit of speaking thrown in by a Thai teacher who is good and does her best. She impresses me. Then they get 3 hours of conversation a week with a native speaker who is okay but dry. They are in a pretty good smaller Thai private school. Class size is 22 to 25.
Is this average, low, or what, I would really like to hear some opinions. Pratom 4 is the grade. Thanks a lot. They dont need it but I am calculating how the Thai kids are doing and they seem to be coming along all right.
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LoL I've got my razor out....the last bit was 'that child'....tricky!Originally Posted by bet
Steven Prowler. Fully qualified.
John Mark Carr. Fully qualified.
I'm waiting for a pervert to be arrested who turns out to be unqualified.
Game? This wasn't meant to be a game!!!...NEVER!!
My story - 39yo, 18 years in the airline industry, top marks at high school for English (7's), CELTA qualified, 2 years community volunteer english teacher for newly arrived immigrants in Australia (mostly African refugees), studying 1st Year Thai language at University of Queensland and highly motivated for a sea/life change to Thailand. Yet NO DEGREE.
I really want to make a contribution but do I have to obtain a fraudulent degree to get a job? Your feedback appreciated.
as a joke spicoli...send a check...make it out to....The Thai children's English relief fund...in care of Ramon Tameres of the southern Philippines (the new English Care taker)
Jeff spicoli said,
No, you don't. The radar has not been adjusted to catch applicants."I really want to make a contribution but do I have to obtain a fraudulent degree to get a job? Your feedback appreciated."
Yes, if you want to keep a job. The radar has been adjusted to catch schools who are not careful in their hiring and it also has been adjusted to catch schools who are not so keen on getting the right paperwork. (something like that)
Oh, and good luck to you.
No, I shouldn't think so.Originally Posted by Jeff_spicoli
Interesting though...so are (a) doing nothing and (b) getting a fake degree, the only two options?
You could always think way out of the square and continue on your path of getting a real degree...
That aside, you will, if you look around enough, find work with what you have. In the current climate, that is probably a wiser choice than the fake degree...
BTW...what does 18 years in the airline industry mean? Pretty wide range, that...from 747 pilot right through to the guy who puts the headphones back in the heat sealed bags...
Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation.
I neglected to mention an intent to study further and get that said degree. Getting a dodgy degree is obviously a last option however I will do what it takes to fulfill an ambition.
The reason I mentioned the airline experience is that I note from Ajarn.com there seems to be a market for in-house English teaching within the hospitality industry.
Thanks for your responses. Keep 'em coming...
hospitality industry yes! lots of work but mainly corporate work, pay by the hour (500-700baht p/h) and no benefits, insurance etc..
there are fulltime jobs which crop up 4 hotel gigs but the cash ain't too good. maybe 40k and they will milk you for it.
Part of my point was that I suggest trying to get a WP with your current qualifications rather than a forgery is a better course of action at the moment.Originally Posted by Jeff_spicoli
Immigration Department will be so basking in the glow of their latest contribution to the improvement of Thai society that the Ministry of Labour wont be able to help themselves.
They'll feel honour-bound to come up with their own initiative which will no doubt include the simplest...checking all qualifications.
But Jeff, the majority of this work is part-time through agencies, so you wouldn't have much chance of getting a wp even with a genuine degree.Originally Posted by Jeff_spicoli
You mey be lucky though, lets hope so!
this guy's got it...Originally Posted by chuck_s
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