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    thai culture and ep students

    as a teacher in an ep i find it quite amazing the problems some students have,(especially the brighter? ones) in regards to learning in a western style, ie: thinking and asking questions. not the students themselves, but thai teachers outside the programme who ,at my school at least, find it so very difficult to accept students asking questions, perhaps even finding their own answers.
    just had a meeting last week to discuss the learning approach of ep students at the school. some of the older staff, teaching thai and social, were upset that the students were questioning their output. not their teaching as such, but theirconclusions from what they had taught.
    this has created a problem for these students. a problem , i feel, i have created. i ask them to question and express their opinions. i also tell them that if they can say why and not just wai to me, they have learnt something. i know this is thailand, and i try to be culturally sensitive in my approach to teaching, but some of my students have been placed on detention for asking why or expressing their, supported opinion. i feel at a loss. why should they be punished, for doing what i have taught them to do.
    been teaching here in los for 8 years, and this is the 1st time , to my knowledge,this has happened.
    any other similar experiences from teachers out there?

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    Re: thai culture and ep students

    It's an interesting issue and its something that will become more important as EP students start passing through M6. Although we grew up in the West and have western ideas, I really do believe that we need to have some consistence with Thai culture in the way we teach and go about things. Take rote learning as an example. Largley debunked in the west for a ling time (though still used to an extent), that is the bread and butter of Thai learning. Listen to the Master, and don't question him/her, even if you think they are wrong. If these kids are going on to live in Thai society, and pass through Thai univeristies, taught by Thai trained Thai lecturers, then maybe it's best not to upset this learning style. If they are moving on to foreign universities or to live overseas, then by all means follow the western style, to prepare them for the dreaded, 'think and do for yourself' style. It seems my school has a mix of both types of students, so its quite difficult to know which way to go. What I do know, is that you can't cover the Thai content using Western approaches. There simply too much of the stuff. The kids end up having to rote learn it all, pass uni entrance, then forgetting it all over the holidays before uni starts. Westen methods, such as 'discovery learning', take much longer but are more fruitful, as the kids retain the material as they are forced to engage with it to understand it. What Keegan mentions really is the tip of the iceberg for EP's. It really depends on the admin of the EP and if they are serious about researching the needs of the students; and more importantly, meeting the needs of students.

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    Re: thai culture and ep students

    If these kids are going on to live in Thai society, and pass through Thai univeristies, taught by Thai trained Thai lecturers, then maybe it's best not to upset this learning style
    I work at an international school that has the policy of; if the students have not acclimatised to learning in a western manner - i.e. questioning and creative thinking, etc. By the time they are 13 then they are asked to leave and go to a Thai school. The easonsing being; if you haven't got what it takes to get into western style education by then and you continue in the school you are going to be fucked both ends. Thai unis won't accept you for the reasons loner has outlined above, and western unis won't accept you for the opposite reasons.

    It's a tricky question, but ultimately it is a management issue. Do the unis want students who can think for themselves or do they want drones. Are the professors scared of havign to back up tehir words of wisdom or do they want little somachai scrawling down his every word and kissing arse ?

    Basically someone has to go into a number of levels of the Thai education system, from postgard to high school and say: changes are going to be made. You will make the changes or you'll get the boot. End of story. basically be willing to go in and the the guy everyone will hate. It will hurt, but it will be better in the long run. The Thai education system has too many lazy, incompetent teachers and admin staff.
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    Re: thai culture and ep students

    ^ good points. On the first day of class I like to tell them they are in America when they enter the classroom. Question me, please; give your opinion as you wish, please; if you've had this lesson with another teacher in the recent past, tell me, please, I got plenty more; if you deserve a better grade present your case, I'm listening. It takes a lot to educate one born to be a slave how the think for himself. BTW, they seem to like being in America.
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    Re: thai culture and ep students

    Yeah, good points all around...I am relentless in training my students to ask questions...I've had the luxury of having my students over several years and to watch them develop...early on I had "Ask Ajarn" sessions where they had to ask a decent question before they could leave...and none of this "how are you" shit...now that they are M4, the questions come much easier and are relevant to the lesson...when i ask them about there thai teachers, which they have only one now, they say the response to questions are very definite: "the answers are in the book." that's all they get from the thai...at least no punishment...

    ...i try to remind them to work within their culture and be smart about when to insert alien behavior into their everyday life...but if they are thinkers and can learn to read the cues, they should be able to adapt themselves to the situation...
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