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    What Would Appeal to You In A Low Paying Job?

    I need anywhere from 6 - 12 teachers for the new year.

    I know it will be difficult to get native-speaking teachers, as anyone else who has read a few threads here lately can attest.

    Trouble is, Thai clients are not yet convinced there will be shortage. Not enough to agree to contracts signed in February for the next year that require bumping salaries to any extent in anticipation of these problems, anyway.

    So let's say there is a routine English job, around 20 hours and paying 30,000 upcountry (where that is genuinely liveable, but still looks shitty on paper).

    Some things I am thinking of that might make such a job more attractive:-

    * Better leave- choice of 6 month contract incl. 4 wks paid leave or 12 month contract with 8 wks paid leave.
    * Alternately, bump pay to 33,000 for 12 months with 8 wks leave on half pay.
    * Choice of 4 working days 8-4 pm or 5 working days with no set time on premises outside teaching hours.
    * WP, TL, visas paid for whether 6 or 12 months.
    * We already apply a high level of assistance in settling into town/Thailand; transports; curriculum and lesson plan support, etc. but not sure potential employees place much value on that.

    What might entice you in job conditions if upping the salary was not an option?
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    Re: What Would Appeal to You In A Low Paying Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by torbek
    What might entice you in job conditions if upping the salary was not an option?
    - Teaching at a real school and not a language academy.
    - Teaching the ages I like.
    - Having 100% support from management.
    - Having autonomy over teaching methods, curriculum and marking, and being allowed to fail students if necessary.
    - Proper A/V aids and unlimited photocopying.
    - Nice students and co-workers.
    - Not having to please customers.
    - Not having to work with disgraceful, embarrassing foreigners.
    - 2+ months paid holiday.

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    Re: What Would Appeal to You In A Low Paying Job?

    The eight weeks paid leave would do it for me.

    And 30,000 out of Bangkok must equate to about 45,000 in Bangkok, wouldn't it?

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    Re: What Would Appeal to You In A Low Paying Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jellybean
    The eight weeks paid leave would do it for me.

    And 30,000 out of Bangkok must equate to about 45,000 in Bangkok, wouldn't it?
    I think so.


    bcqcboy...

    Most those things you talk of we offer (resources, copying, Thai assistants to research/prepare aids, involvement in preparation of curriclum, etc.) but doesn't necessarily "add value" in lieu of salary.

    Also a mixed bag sometimes. I get the feeling some people are happy to everything laid out for them while other want autonomy...

    In practical terms, I suppose we could offer either.

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    Re: What Would Appeal to You In A Low Paying Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by torbek
    I think so.


    bcqcboy...

    Most those things you talk of we offer (resources, copying, Thai assistants to research/prepare aids, involvement in preparation of curriclum, etc.) but doesn't necessarily "add value" in lieu of salary.

    Also a mixed bag sometimes. I get the feeling some people are happy to everything laid out for them while other want autonomy...

    In practical terms, I suppose we could offer either.
    I guess in short what I'm saying is 'a job that's not a joke'.

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    Re: What Would Appeal to You In A Low Paying Job?

    [quote=bcqcboy Not having to please customers.
    - Not having to work with disgraceful, embarrassing foreigners.[/quote]

    Difficult to word that for an ad.

    I think what appeals about low paying jobs is a light workload! Again, it's not easy to actually word that without it looking amateurish.

    'Teachers are responsible solely for the preparation and teaching of lessons, and for marking work set.'

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    Re: What Would Appeal to You In A Low Paying Job?

    i took a 50% pay cut leaving bangkok to come down south to teach. things that have made it worthwhile (apart from leaving bangkok) are-

    - first and foremost no foreign 'boss'
    - wonderful students
    - being respected by colleagues and thai bosses
    - being allowed to do my job with no hindrance
    - not being bugged about lesson plans
    - fairly low teaching hours (16)
    - work permit recieved with minimum hassle, very quicky
    - a pleasant and helpful local immigration and labour department
    - more food stuffed into me by colleagues than it's probably safe to have
    - er...free desk...
    - ok, i'm done.



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    Re: What Would Appeal to You In A Low Paying Job?

    I could not do it with kids. It would be impossible to save the money I do now. I would love to live out of BKK probably more than most posters here. But I will find a way to do it outside of teaching, and making more money.
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    Re: What Would Appeal to You In A Low Paying Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by torbek

    What might entice you in job conditions if upping the salary was not an option?
    1. A set timetable per semester with no last minute additions/alterations
    2. Teaching hours in blocks with no split shifts or hanging around pointlessly
    3. A guarantee that teachers can leave school immediately after completing the last class of the day with no quibbling. This, together with 1. and 2. above will allow the teacher to plan outside interests/work properly for several months, not just a week at a time
    4. Set holidays of which the teacher is informed well in advance and which are not altered or restricted - no 'please seek formal permission if you intend to travel abroad' nonsense
    5. No cover lessons or filling in for others too idle/ill to turn up and teach
    6. No 'you must also spend time assisting us in planning a new curriculum for next year'
    7. No pointless attendance at assemblies or special ceremonies or summer schools

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    Re: What Would Appeal to You In A Low Paying Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by torbek
    no set time on premises outside teaching hours.
    That's a biggy mate if they're not going to pay much lolly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unwell
    not being bugged about lesson plans
    That too (particularly if the teacher is competent and experienced in TEFL. Lesson plans are for the teacher, not a petty power game for clueless Thai admins).

    Quote Originally Posted by torbek
    * We already apply a high level of assistance in settling into town/Thailand; transports; curriculum and lesson plan support, etc. but not sure potential employees place much value on that.
    Have you considered rent allowance for teachers paying over a certain amount? An offer to pay part of the bond would be a nice gesture too IMO.

    And of course a free lunch (yes I know there's no such thing etc etc ) should be thrown in to the mix.
    Or would you like to swing on a star?

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    Re: What Would Appeal to You In A Low Paying Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by bcqcboy
    - Teaching at a real school and not a language academy.
    - Teaching the ages I like.
    - Having 100% support from management.
    - Having autonomy over teaching methods, curriculum and marking, and being allowed to fail students if necessary.
    - Proper A/V aids and unlimited photocopying.
    - Nice students and co-workers.
    - Not having to please customers.
    - Not having to work with disgraceful, embarrassing foreigners.
    - 2+ months paid holiday.
    This one looks pretty good to me, Tors. I'd add Internet and electricity that work every day, and a clause that states if I've been lied to the contract is off and I get 60K and a plane ticket to where I came from on the spot.

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    Re: What Would Appeal to You In A Low Paying Job?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny danger
    This one looks pretty good to me, Tors.
    Look again then mate.


    Having 100% support from management.
    How on earth do you quantify that? Indefinable pie in the sky stuff. Ditto the following...


    Nice students and co-workers.

    Not having to work with disgraceful, embarrassing foreigners.

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    Re: What Would Appeal to You In A Low Paying Job?

    Having 100% support from management.
    Nothing wrong here mate. It just means they agree with everything I do.

    Nice students and co-workers.
    If I don't think they're nice they're gone!

    Not having to work with disgraceful, embarrassing foreigners.
    It unlikely anyone on staff would be more disgraceful and embarrassing than me mate.

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    Re: What Would Appeal to You In A Low Paying Job?

    i think my school's pretty good vis a vis the not having to work with disgraceful, embarrassing foreigners because, apart from me, they won't hire any. i've seen them turn down applicants when there's three places needing filling because the candidate doesn't have the qualifications, experience or is otherwise judged 'unsuitable'. everyone gets a say if they want one when it comes to hiring and everyone's points get heard. the result, every foreigner i've worked with here has been very pleasant, professional and sane. nice working atmosphere.

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    Re: What Would Appeal to You In A Low Paying Job?

    Fair enough JD, in that case it sounds entirely reasonable. Where do I sign?

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