I was wondering if anyone knows of/teaches at Keera-pat International School in Bangkok. I just had a phone interview with them (am still in the states) and just want to make sure they're legit when/if I'm offered the job. Any info anyone has would be great!
Try over at www.teflwatch.org. There are a few postings about this school over there.
Thanks Loner. Those comments are a little scary! I think I will turn down the offer after reading that.
I dont know that you can take too much notice of that site.
I have a friend who has worked at one of the much maligned schools on that site and she has never had a problem, but says that they have had some very strange people working there that are very defensive and take offence at every decision made and don't have a great work ethic, themselves and do nothing but complain.
Yes, defintiely caveat emptor.
Personally I think TEFL watch is a valuable resource and it certainly doesn't hurt to check things out over there.
They seem to usually check institutions out quite responsibily, so when they do post a warning well...."if there's enough smoke, there's bound to be a bit of fire somewhere..
Good luck to you, but considering what you have found so far, i wouln't jump in without checking more thoroughly.
Good luck in any case.
I know a guy who I'm pretty sure still works there.
PM me and I can give you his name and maybe his number or email
(not sure, maybe I lost 'em)...
At least I could tell you his name, maybe you could contact him.
Trustworthy source, from within.
How do they check the institution out?Originally Posted by russellsimpson
By listening to the people who have worked there who sometimes have the smallest greivances or they have been sacked. Quite a lot of the time, it is personal issues with administrators, both Thai and falang.
I know a mod. Essentially, they take disgruntled workers...
Don't get me wrong, it is a valuable site, but the worst teachers are definately as bad as the worst schools. Got to take it with a grain of salt.
I knew one guy who used to post on there regularly. He never had a good thing to say about any school that he worked at. He also got fired or quit every job but one during his time here.
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Like other "watch" sites, I think they probably have a formula.
So if a school with thirty employees has a single complaint, a resposible "watch" organization is going to probably not give the greivance much concern.
However, if a school with ten four foreign employees gets five complaints then that's a different matter.
These watch "organizations" don't just randomly take the piss on an organization. Usually they will try to call and talk with the affected party.
It's when one of the parties is not forthcoming with information or has a bad attitude, very defensive, etc., then rightfully that's when the "Watch' takes action.
And rightfully so in my opinion.
I haven't had much cause to deal with these organizations but over the past month or so I have been following the ludricrous situation between (Well, you know who hey, here in Thailand I won't mention names, eh) and TEFL Watch.
Obviously the organization did their homework on that one and by doing so probably saved hundreds of people a great deal of grief.(not to mention money)
And for the most part JB I have to disagree with you, I think the organization is well run and uses a "good standards" approach regarding their posting.
You're pregrogative to disagree with me of course, but that my read.
Actually Matt offering to let the guy talk to a former employee is probably the best way to go. Talk to several former or current employees if you can.
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree here J.B.I dont know that you can take too much notice of that site.
Go to the school at quiting time and talk to some of the foreign staff as they leave.Originally Posted by russellsimpson
Offer to buy them a coffee or a beer and have a chat about what the school is like.
Faith, by itself, isn't a good enough reason to believe. Instead, a belief must be defensible through reason, logic, and evidence.
The idea that faith is somehow justified by the fact that the beliefs cannot be proven is a truly Orwellian position to adopt - not to mention intellectually and ethically dangerous.
International schools are supposed to be the creme de la creme in Thailand. If people presumambly with teaching degrees are complaining about their conditions then I for one wouldn't touch it with a bargepole. International schools get the cream of the crop, pay the top wages but if they still haven't worked out the importance of retaining teachers then clearly they have problems with their recruiting methods or how they treat their foreign teachers. Quite simply good schools do not recruit bad teachers and once they have a dedicated staff, they retain them. An internaional school where several people have complained is a sure thing for me that they are just a bunch of cowboys.