Yep 100% woefully naive and probably the complete opposite has more bearing to reality (i.e. if the kids don't like you it probably means you make them learn something, or work etc. rather than edutain).
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Can you give us an anonymous example?Originally Posted by Cyrille
And by working there the school can find out if you're any good. (Please don't reply to this by posting your qualifications .. I'll get sick and throw up all over this keyboard.)Originally Posted by kenkannif
^ Yes for sure....works both ways (as per my recent paperwork post...kind of).
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I don't think it's possible to write a list about how to ascertain if a school is a good place to work or not.Originally Posted by kiwiling
You just gather the information you can and try to use your judgement.
Chief factors to consider for me are (in no particular order):
3) Qualification levels of existing staff
4) Financial support and increments for staff to enhance their qualifications (the fewer blowhard 'graduates of the school of life' the better - as if being qualified is some kind of 'personality extractor' )
5) Staff turnover
6) Admin support
Alternatively, you could just ask an eight year old.
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I have found that works both ways. I have met grads who are so far up themselves they can't breathe and TEFLers who think a Thai TEFL qualifies them to lecture at Harvard. A true academic understands the more you learn the more you realise you don't know...so there is nothing to get stuck up about.Originally Posted by Cyrille
This is very good advice. You never know what might be a horrible place to others can be a blessing for you. Sometimes those negative reports are ones from years ago with a change in management not true anymore.Originally Posted by kenkannif
Also great reports and schools with a good reputation can become "Hell" with a change of management or even with the hiring of other teachers that have personality clashes.
To check things out from a distance the best bet is to talk to various teachers already teaching at that school.
complete guesswork as to how to find a good school but you have to look beyond the image crap. the true judge for me is the students and the learning environment. is the english classroom covered with displays and a good environment to learn. ask the students some questions. do they shy away and giggle or have they been taught that speaking Engish is cool. is behaviour in the school good? can the principal speak english? Is their a plan? Is their a vision? Loads of factors but if you chat to thestudents and they can't even answer simple questions then there's a fair chance that you're going to have problems.
While some schools are clearly crap and others are good, there is also a large subjective element to the whole "good school - bad school" thing. I can think of a number of teachers who have gotten off on the wrong foot with either Admin or the Thai teachers and who have been hounded out of their schools. They would obviously catagorize their schools as hellholes!
Other teachers at the same schools may have shown up on time, not had a sick day in their first couple of months and gotten along with the Thai teachers. Those teachers would have an entirely different attitude toward the same school!
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Fair point Q. I would say though generally good schools see through bad candidates in the interviewing progress. Of course some charm there way through the door. Good schools are organised and put kids at the centre of education. They look after their teaches and produce real academi results. ad schools profiteer, don't monitor standards and invest large amounts of dosh on covering up their poor performance. Doesn't happen so much in the west because you're inspected regularly. Here it does because officials can be bought.Originally Posted by Qwerty2
Help...there are pink pigs landing on my roofOriginally Posted by peelieorion
Mate if the western schools were inspected properly it would show up all the shams in the system. The difference between here and the west is you don't have to bribe anybody...because the authorities don't actually want to know.
Before anybody slags me I have an article written by a British academic explaining in detail how they do it.
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...and are they actually teachers at all or have you been talking to the pot plants all this time.Originally Posted by kenkannif
Or would you like to swing on a star?
Tell the recruiters you would like to talk to some existing staff - its not an unreasonable request and a good school should actually offer the opportunity anyway.
Then take some out and buy them a couple of beers or some noodles for lunch and pick their brains. They'll understand that is what you are doing, but will still open up nonetheless. People love to bitch. Also gives you an opportunity to see who you'll be working with.
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