I agree with KK. Whilst I do think it is a bit unsavory, it is not really different than any other war / army celebrations. Go to any major city in the world and there will be statues of generals and war memorials. On a recent visit to London with wife in tow I decided to show her the sights. It amazing how many statues there are in London. After a while I got a bit embarrassed about how much London glorifies it past wars. A major difference with the Nazi thing here is that 1) WW2 is recent and 2) It's close to home for most of us.
But objectively is it really any different from the cowboys, etc?????
Ridicule is the burden of genius.
Surely you are not equating the commemoration of Britain's war dead with hordes of thai students marching around in nazi regalia??Originally Posted by Michael J
Marching around with toys gun, dressing up like soliders and carrying a replica of the German Iron Cross tells me that this is nothing to do with anything but Nazis.
The students were glorifying an era and a group that is particularly heinous. But I can understand what all of you are saying, I dont see the problem with them dressing up like little Nazis. I see a problem in their hypocrisy. It's ok to deface the symbols of other religions and countries, it's ok for them act totally ignorant towards the feelings of millions of people, but when someone else does it to them, they go shit faced crazy in anger.
Anyone remember the pub in Pennsylvania when Thaksin and others threatened to pull their ambassador over the picture of the King published in newspaper ad?
Anyone remember the Swiss guy imprisoned?
Anyone remember the YouTube ban? (How often did we hear through that, people need to respect Thai people's feeling?)
Anyone remember what happened to Grassie for doing the same as other Thais?
It seems only Thai people can have a good time making fun of other people, cultures and atrocities.
That's because they are superior.
Are you actually reading this? Do you think I care?
^ That's what gets me! Thailand is riddled with hypocrisy on things like this.
What a bunch of boneheaded teachers encourage their boneheaded students to do is really neither here nor there.
^ Although that is a total red herring!Originally Posted by Whitey
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All I was trying to point out is that in London there are so many war statues and memorials. Walking around London was a bit like, ' This is for kicking French arse, this is for kicking German arse, this is for kicking French arse, etc, etc.' There isn't any balance between war statues and art statues.
They are there to commemorate the sacrifice of people who gave their lives so that you can live in freedomOriginally Posted by Michael J
Not for kicking anyone's arse.
Yeah, the Victory Monument in Bangkok is a good example. It celebrates Thai victory over France.....while France was occupied by Germany..it celebrates the land they took.
^ All a bit of a tangent from the rights and wrongs of spending a day frogmarching around wearing nazi insignia.
Don't you think?
But we HAVE kicked a lot of arse.Originally Posted by Michael J
Here's to the UK and it's glorious arse-kicking past (nb, not ass-kicking!)
When the great lord passes the wise peasant bows deeply and silently farts
Unless things have changed very recently, this is absolutely NOT true. German secondary school kids learn about the holocaust not once, but TWICE; and according to my German friends, it is a no-holds barred, look-what-we-Germans-were-responsible-for account. German TV also frequently shows documentaries and dramas depicting the horrors of the Nazi era. Those Thai kids would have committed a fairly serious criminal offence in Germany. There is none of the Japanese-style whitewashing and selective memory disorder in the German education system. Of course, this has led to something of an understandable backlash among German youth, who sometimes express their weariness with the fact that they continually have their father's sins rammed down their throats. This is probably the reason why your exchange students were rather reticent about it.Originally Posted by kiwiling
First off, get over the excitement of sharing which way swastikas go. We've heard it god knows how many times: "It is an ancient Biddhist symbol bla bla bla."
Have you seen the pictures in that link? Especially this one:
Second, Nazis weren't just a bunch of guys who turned their swastikas the other way and so shit happened. The world has never seen such an inhuman behaviour on that scale, anorderd they knew exactly what they were doing - killing as many people as possible in the most efficient ways. No remorse, no looking back.
Third, Thais involved in that show simply displayed their sheer ignorance of the world beyond their borders. It's not a sin to be stupid, but their case is terminal, they are beyond salvation.
Fourth, is it dangerous to glorify mass murderers? Will some of that disregard for human life rob on them? Very possibly so, if they take any further interest. It's not like they hold life in high regard already.
Expect more monks preaching that murdering people in cold blood is ok if done for a good cause, expect more national singers crooning about how good it is to kill a few thousands to "improve" the nation.
I, personally, hope that I won't see a new round of lynching, beheadings, and burning people alive at Sanam Luang, but if those "Nazi" Thais get involved, I wouldn't put it past them.
Fifth, I'm not going to get all worked up over some imbeciles marching up and down as Nazis, but the line has to be drawn somewhere - it is NOT OK, there's no "neutral" side here.
Point taken...but the holocaust was but one tragedy of WWII...I do not know what they were taught at school...but if it was based around the Holocaust that would be unbalanced. One girl was able to discuss the movie about the last days in Hitlers bunker with me in quite matter of fact fashion...and she is a Berliner.Originally Posted by Rumpole
Back to the issue of Thais being hyporcritical.
http://www.citypaper.net/articles/20...mailbag4.shtmlEditor, you as well, you allowed this kind of issues printed in your paper. Are you insane or you have never ever recognized othere as a human being like you are?. Do you care with other peiple' right?? Or you can do what you want to do because you think you are American. I have never feel that bad about American before, but today it is. You did too much, break our heart!!! Please open your eyes to know other countries, don't covered yourself under coconut shell and think you are the biggest!!
The 11th September will happen again.American the bad dog.
Just because the newspaper wouldn't pull an offensive ad......
it means, let their be prosparity in all four directionsOriginally Posted by Lor Ling
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- Woody Allen
Not heard that but then it's a symbol that's been used in a few different cultures.Originally Posted by bewildered wanderer
AFor example, the native Americans apparently had a symbol that was pretty much identical to the swastika
Hear hear!Originally Posted by Cyrille
BTW, who's that dude in yer AV? The old nazis woulda prolly gassed him quick smart.
The nasty feckers!
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