It was a sad emoticon JB, no humor implied.
Not saying it is about "the sensitivities" of foreigners.As other people have said, the main consideration should be children's safety, not the sensitivities of foreigners
Am saying that it represents singling out a group based on race.
Irresponsible and effectively a form of racial profiling.
Do you think for a split second JB that the western press would be able to publish pictures of "the fifty most wanted ASIAN criminals"
Not frigging likely.
There's a principle involved here and as well it is ill (if at all thought out) conceived and actually very irresponsible IMO.
I believe this is very true...and I am not saying that Asian children who have sex with adults are not harmed because they are... and very much so...however the harm to a Western child is aggravated by the guilt that is forced on them by the societal norm that sex is unnatural.Originally Posted by Just another BOF
The stress of coerced sex with an older person stunts the emotional growth of a child...it is just that the stress is worse in the west. Sex where the child apparently leads the adult on is often the psychological result of earlier abuse. Any adult taking advantage of that situation is barely better than the original offender depending on the level of personal ignorance. The ignorance can be improved by balanced discussion about the topic
I don't see this as a case of the Thais 'singling out' farangs. Whether it was the Thais who requested the list or the other way around the Thais probably do not have an equivalent list of locally based internet child porn distributors. In fact they are relying on European police to tell them who is operating on their patch in this crime area. These faces are the result of a Western police initiative, not a Thai one. Let's face it, the European police are streets ahead of the Thai police and have invested heavily in technology, personnel and money in investigating internet child exploitation in very recent years, which has enabled them to identify numerous offenders with European connections who are peddling this child porn. All over Europe thousands have been arrested and if they have a list of 50 men who are the most wanted they probably have pretty good evidence to put to them.
An assumption is being made about the racial profiles of these suspects, but in all likelihood they will mostly be white Europeans and there may very well be no Asians.
The good reason why these crimes are 'flavour of the month' is because internet child porn is a relatively new crime and police forces have only more recently than that become real experts at these kinds of investigations, with all kinds of clever decoding of encrypted databases, etc and it's the Western police leading the way.
As stated on the link several Westerners have already been detained in Thailand for similar crimes so Thailand is justifiably seen as a fertile ground on which to catch others. I would have thought it quite likely the same list has also been distributed by Interpol to other countries where these criminals are suspected of being, so Thailand is just playing its small part in a global police effort.
The days when the police act alone in the fight against crime are long over, and they increasingly rely on the sharing of information with other agencies as well as the public, and TV programmes such as Crimestoppers in the UK have been popular for years. I see this as a similar thing.
It's quite simple. They have a pretty good idea some of these guys are in Thailand, but they don't know where they live or work or hang out. They need to be caught to stop them abusing more kids, so let's publicise their details and get the public/colleagues to out them. In anyone's book they are serious criminals and are a constant danger to others until caught.
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Folks above are asserting that a nine year old Western child is more damaged by sexual intercourse with a 30-year old man than a nine year old Asian child. Is this correct?
Last edited by Hamster; 30th October 2007 at 01:04.
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Yes it is bollocks. Ask your Thai friends how they would feel if their young kids were raped and the photos put on the internet
The list of 50 includes 4 previously arrested in Chonburi and Thai police have already issued arrest warrants for 3 more on the list known to have recently been in Chonburi who are named in this article, so we're already at 14% of the list with known Thai residence and we've only just begun.
..."Wimon said four others on the list had previously been arrested by his division, all in Chon Buri province, a coastal resort area that is notorious for Westerners seeking sex tourism.
He said arrest warrants have also been issued for three others known to have been in Chon Buri recently, identified as US citizen Grant Richard, 61, Briton Stephen James Allison, 55, and Finn Ilkka Ylikojola, 55."
Last edited by Jon; 30th October 2007 at 06:30.
Originally Posted by HamsterHow would you guys actually know? Read the posts properly again please:Originally Posted by Jon
Originally Posted by kiwiling
I am sure that if there was an influx of Asian men, going to say...Australia to have sex with children, and they posted photographs and videos on the internet of this abuse, there would a list and there would be photographs published.Originally Posted by russellsimpson
I say bollocks too.Originally Posted by Hamster
And how would you know that the damage is not as great.Originally Posted by kiwiling
Your post is nothing but supposition. The biggest issue in child abuse is not guilt, but trust.
Just some of the factors in sexual abuse of young people are force, threats of violence, invasion, interupted development of sexuality and guilt. All these factors are affected by degree. The original point (which I didn't make but agree strongly with) is that the Christian attitude to sex in the west makes the effect of abuse potentially worse. Admittedly in some countries in the West the Christian influence is much weaker now thankfully...but the original comment is true.Originally Posted by Jellybean
...and yes I know quite a lot about sexual abuse ... your comments indicate to me you know very little...
so my post is based on experience...yours is based on...supposition???
You know nothing, if you think that sexual abuse is more damaging to one race because of Christianity. Do you suppose that a six year old boy who is being abused is aware of that?Originally Posted by kiwiling
You are the one making the ridiculous claims, not I.Originally Posted by kiwiling
Pray tell, where did you gain this 'experience'?
In my work...where did you get yours?Originally Posted by Jellybean
You and the other posters focused on one comment about the effect of religion on a victim. I notice the other posters seem to have accepted the context. The claim is not ridiculous and I will leave it at that Mrs Neville...Originally Posted by Jellybean
How about ermmm............ummmm......could it be...............my work?Originally Posted by kiwiling
Originally Posted by JonOriginally Posted by Hamster
Dont think so.Originally Posted by kiwiling
Josh anybody reading the posts can see what was said in context. Are you saying that religious guilt is not a factor in sexual abuse?Originally Posted by josh_ingu
You keep going on about that.Originally Posted by kiwiling
Do you really think that ordinary Thai women, not bargirls or girls who marry old men for money, are less sexually inhibited than western women?
No but without the context of guilt, there is the idea that sex is a legitimate tool of work.Originally Posted by Jellybean
Back to the main problem, paedophilia. I do not believe that there are any more paedophiles in the world today than before but what there is these days in many countries is far more irresponsible parents. I was taught hoew to react in any possible situation, not in school but by my parents. If a person commits an act of sexual abuse by betraying a position of trust then that person should be liable to the full foprce of the law. However, if a stranger commits a similar act either through the childs ignorance or an offer of money than the parents should be held accountable as well as the perpetrator for failing to protect their child.
BTW stop using the emotional word rape. There is more to child abuse than that.