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About LinkBacks..population: 64.Originally Posted by peelieorion
Kidding peelie!!!
Great post. Spot on.
..population: 64.
Kidding peelie!!!
Great post. Spot on.
We kept waiting
Still nothing changes
It's a shame
Already common practice here in Australia in the government public schools. Teachers are required to attend seminars and retraining or updating courses on student free days.
We must not confuse statistical probability with some transcendental and utterly compelling force.
True I think of most Western education. Certainly in England up to a few years ago teachers plodded through a system where you automatically got pay increases regardless of whether you were any good. Now you can't hide and you get rooted out far more often.
I actually think for the money here, almost everyone from the west is overqualified to teach English given that the vast majority of schools use us solely for profitmaking. Until Thailand comes up with a plan based on reality and actually puts education first nothing will change.
No one in my area gives a shit whether any of my 10 year olds can read write and speak English. Its embarassing when a minister with an English degree comes to see what we're doing and can't even ask students questions. The whole thing is a sham as will remain that way until the cream is allowed to rise to the top.
If anyone's interested in letting the TCT know what the deal is, here's a link to the TCT's version of Ajarn forum, กระดานสนทนาคุรุสภา (Teachers' Council of Thailand) - หน้าแรก. Another to their contact no's, www.ksp.or.th/upload/292/9527-20070618.doc - .
Myself, I've been waiting for the certificate/s from April's tests which I passed at Bangkapi School. Right now I'm starting to mutter swear words about the Krusapa under my breath.
'Tis not looking good for us teachers that sat and passed their exams.
Koonts.
I've e-mailed them numerous times ( webkuru@ksp.or.th ) - no reply. Called every contact no.- recordings and then no answer.
Last edited by dexter; 8th October 2008 at 06:14.
It's a hurry up and and wait, that's not good.
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ถ้าหากมั่งมี แล้วพี่จะคืนมาใหม่, ไม่ว่าจะอยู่แห่งไหน จะนานเท่าไร ยังไม่ลืมบาง...
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It's a hoop. Jump.
Jesus is coming, open your mouth.
To my way ot thinking, all bets are off until the Thai government doubles the number of schools and gets class sizes down to 25-35 students. Only rote learning can occur in classes of 50-60. I don't think there is any real interest in this society to create critical, thinking citizens. Hence, not much is going to change. It's really only the wealthy in this society that get a decent education, through sending their kids overseas or to the better international schools here.
One more thing while I remember:
I was in room 1, and one candidate came in about 30 minutes after the start of Test 1**. No problem, here's your test paper, take your seat, away you go....
If the TCT was truly professional, that candidate would have been refused entry to that test.
** Nothing personal against the person who was late, they were from out of BK and their taxi took them to the wrong school for the test.
Just another bottom feeder...
All the threads and discussion of TCT forum seem to be in Thai. How can we interact with the TCT people?
I hope some of them will join here so they could listen to our concerns.
There is a provision in the TCT teacher's certification that foreign teachers need to look into:
Clause 2 Criteria for testing and evaluation of knowledge of the Applicants consist of:
(1) Thai language and culture.
(2) Professional ethics.
(3) Knowledge for practicing the teaching profession under Clause 5 (a) of the Regulations Governing Professional Standards and Ethics RE. 2548 (2005).
The testing and evaluation of knowledge shall be in accordance with the details attached. to this Notification.
Clause 3 Any Applicant with at least one year of experience in teaching operations and the following educational qualification shall have passed the knowledge evaluation criteria under Clause 2 (1) (2):
(1) Education degree; or
(2) Other degrees with a foreign license to practice the teaching profession or a graduate diploma in education taking at least one year of study.
Clause 4 Any Applicant with at least one year of experience in teaching
operations and other degrees without either a foreign license to practice the teaching profession or a graduate diploma in education taking at least one year of study shall have passed the knowledge evaluation criteria under Clause 2 (1) (2) and (3).
Clause 6 Any foreigner who is a teacher in any educational institution prior to the date of enforcement of the Teachers and Educational Personnel Council Act RE. 2546 (2003) shall submit an application for a license to practice the teaching profession within one hundred and twenty days from the date of enforcement of this Notification.
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How do you interpret this?
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That was a joke, right?
Where's the URL to that stuff you just posted?
No doubt due to the fact that the person didn't have a chance without there being a proper address for the test centres. Thank You TCT for all your professionalism!
Really, are these the people who are supposed to be our mentors?
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Just Buy a Mac
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If you have a B.Ed. or equivalent or a license to teach in your home country, or have a year long graduate diploma in education, you just need to take the Thai Culture and Language course.
Others with a BA have to take the four tests. Many have indicated an intention to do a graduate diploma in Thailand or other country; many have indicated an intention to leave Thailand.
You get what you pay for... Yes?
I think your confused .......It's a Septic Tank .... All big lumps rise to the the top ( just like any bureaucracy in any country)
Whats that I hear ?? Maybe it's voices from God ?? no" Get the chains on him gag him quick we have to put him away forever If everyone knows what this bastard knows not only will we be out of a job but we will lose our superannuation as well.
My Behaviour is a function of my experience .
My Personality is a composite of my behaviour patterns,of my
traits,adjustments and the roles that I play.
I act accordingly to the way I see things
:-)
More fuel to the fire....
The content of the four TCT tests is quite 'Thai'. That is, there we a significant number of questions that required some understanding of local ways and background to be able to answer correctly**. Also, for most questions, being able to think in 'Thaiglish' helped greatly in deciphering what was being asked.
In short, if you do not have an Ed degree, and attempt to pass these tests as your route to getting a Teacher's License, you will need significant local knowledge.
However, if you have arrived in Thailand for the very first time, with your shiny new degree in Education, ready to finally experience Thailand and all it's wonders, you can get your Teacher's License without any understanding or knowledge of local culture apart from the (infamous) Culture Course.
Hmmm.... ....which one is really better equipped to be a successful teacher here in LoS?
** For example, many of the questions in the Test 4 section on 'Teachership' were about various Thai Education acts. One question referred to a speech the King made in 1995. Other questions gave you a classroom scenario and asked you what response or technique should be used. These were quite "Thai'.
Just another bottom feeder...
The above notification is only for any applicants who will be qualified to go through any of the three testing and evaluation criteria, but no specific mention of license to be granted to specific types of foreign teachers. It seems that the granting of license to any foreign teacher is under the discretion of the TCT.Clause 2 Criteria for testing and evaluation of knowledge of the Applicants consist of:
(1) Thai language and culture.
(2) Professional ethics.
(3) Knowledge for practicing the teaching profession under Clause 5 (a) of the Regulations Governing Professional Standards and Ethics RE. 2548 (2005).
The testing and evaluation of knowledge shall be in accordance with the details attached to this Notification.
Clause 3 Any Applicant with at least one year of experience in teaching operations and the following educational qualification shall have passed the knowledge evaluation criteria under Clause 2 (1) (2):
(1) Education degree; or
(2) Other degrees with a foreign license to practice the teaching profession or a graduate diploma in education taking at least one year of study.
Clause 4 Any Applicant with at least one year of experience in teaching operations and other degrees without either a foreign license to practice the teaching profession or a graduate diploma in education taking at least one year of study shall have passed the knowledge evaluation criteria under Clause 2 (1) (2) and (3).
Clause 5 Having passed the evaluation criteria under Clause 3 or Clause 4, the Applicant shall submit the application for a license to practice the teaching profession, together with the following supporting documents within three years:
(1) Copy of the passport or any other document showing the legally valid entry into the Kingdom;
(2) Copy of the work permit or any document showing the regular residence in Thailand;
(3) Copy of the evidence showing the educational qualifications;
(4) Copy of the foreign license to practice the teaching profession;
(5) Copy of the certificate of teaching operations;
(6) Copy of the certificate of knowledge testing and evaluation;
(7) Two 1~inch full-face front view photographs without sunglasses, taken not exceeding six months.
Clause 6 Any foreigner who is a teacher in any educational institution prior to the date of enforcement of the Teachers and Educational Personnel Council Act RE. 2546 (2003) shall submit an application for a license to practice the teaching profession within one hundred and twenty days from the date of enforcement of this Notification.
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Based on the provision above, is my understanding of the implication correct that license is granted to the following foreign teachers who have completed:
1. 20-hour training on Thai language and culture and Professional ethics + at least one year experience + Education degree?
2. 20-hour training on Thai language and culture and Professional ethics + at least one year experience + any non-education degree + foreign teaching license?
3. 20-hour training on Thai language and culture and Professional ethics + at least one year experience + any non-education degree + graduate education diploma at least one year?
Is license also to be granted to the following foreign teachers who have completed the 20-hour training on Thai Language and Culture and Professional Ethics and:
1. Experienced BA graduate with more than a year of MA education units, surely more than a diploma (Clause 4)?
2. Has been a teacher anywhere outside Thailand since before 2003 (Clause 6)?
3. Any fresh Education graduate without any experience (Clause 3)?
4. Any non-graduate (i.e. no BA) foreign teacher before 2003 who failed to submit application beyond 120 days from the date of enforcement of this notification (maybe 17th day of June 2006, Clause 6)?
More questions:
1. When is the exact date of enforcement of this notification?
2. Where and what is the content of the "Clause 5 (a) of the Regulations Governing Professional Standards and Ethics RE. 2548 (2005)"? It's not found anywhere on the TCT website, as this notification.
3. Why is that?
It seems that the notification has lots of loopholes and is ambiguous in its application to the cases of the last four types of applicants above.
Have I missed anything?
Last edited by yllorco; 9th October 2008 at 19:55.
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