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Reply With QuoteMarvelous idea. Do you have a template document we could use?
So, now that this case has been publicised and the guy's background posted all over the net it seems pretty obvious that AUA doesnt do background checks - which is suprising given the amount of Kids/teens they teach and the reputation its strives to maintain. That said, AUA is just following the norm and doesnt stand out from any other training provider.
I'm all for criminal background checks for ALL teachers and Im sure the 99.9999% of non-kiddy fiddling TEFLers are also. Indeed, I'd like to see a petition sent to the MoE by the TEFL army insisting on it. So how about asking your schools/institutes to start their own individual petitions and send to the appropriate authorities?
If the MoE receive enough names, perhaps background checks will be fully implemented and the TEFL army will be seen to be taking a proactive step to cleaning up its own ranks. Certainly can't hurt given the dire reputation TEFL Teachers currently have.
If the employers can't get their shit together, perhaps its time for the employees to manage & guide its employers a little on this. Afterall, most TEFLers do strive to be perceived as professional.
I wonder what the reputable international schools policy is?
Last edited by Desertexile; 30th December 2008 at 16:48.
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Marvelous idea. Do you have a template document we could use?
I'll work on it if this thread generates enough interest.
I want to live like a poor man,but with a lot of money
Tho I'm not in Los, if a petition of any sort were set up, i'd duly sign it as a past teacher (with references) and a potential future one. Great idea DE!
The only problem could come when the thai authorities muck it up and accuse (or worse jail) further innocents, but something must be done. On that, I agree.
"It'd be the best gig around, if it wasn't for the f#*king kids!"
-Bozo the Clown reflecting on his career
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Yeh - it is a good idea.
Perhaps some kind of online petition would be better, one that can folks can log onto and simply add their names and occupation- it would be run by one dedicated administrator.
Indeed, some western TEFLer at AUA could suggest it to the Captain, gain his buy in to idea in general as well as the Captain personally backing the AUA employee to run the website as well as providing the financial resource. when the list grows - which Im sure it would - the Captain could present it officially to the appropriate authorities - AUA thus leads other training providers by example and corrects its mistake. The Captain has already been reported as commenting on the offender - fixing the problem is the next best step.
"We never dreamed he would be involved in this kind of thing. He was very meticulous, and so polite and quiet," said school director Adul Pinsuvana, who remembered Mr. Wrenshall as a soft-spoken instructor who bowed in a respectful manner, similar to the way of Thai people.
The reasons are obvious:
A westerner is the principle force in launching the idea - specifically a TEFLing, AUA westerner. If that needs to be altered to the Thais as the instigator, then fine.
Its overseen and legitimsed by AUA's Chairman and this goes some way towards it self regulating and regaining some ground having employed a convicted kiddy fiddler.
Given the rep that AUA strives to maintain, your average Thai may start to be reminded that 99.999% of TEFLers are dedicated professions. Also, the AUA edge could see the Thai press picking up the story and gaining the right kind of coverage for TEFLers rather than the ongoing Kiddy fiddling stories.
An AUA folks fancy making the suggestion?
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I want to live like a poor man,but with a lot of money
Give it to them. They will smile at you and when you turn around throw it in the trash. The appropriate authorities don't want to hear a farang telling them what to do.Originally Posted by Desertexile
As far as the reputation TEFL farangs have, its deserved. Most of them are unqualified sex tourists who decided to stay, took a 120 hr. TEFL course and are now being called "teachers" What a joke!. Too easy to get a job here.
Apart from being wrong about most TEFL teachers - you might want to re-read the thread mate, I am suggesting that the Thai Chairman of AUA presents it to the concerned authorities.
I want to live like a poor man,but with a lot of money
I am wrong about TEFL teachers? you are delusional.
the Thai guy at AUA is not gong to listen to you. Again, he will smile and throw your suggestion in the trash.
I am sure AUA ignored obvious signs and didn't do anything about it. Noone to blame but them.
What's needed really is international co-operation.
why is a paedophile allowed to even enter a country.
can't be too hard to set up a data base.
don't they already have one.
why should the 99.99% of teachers here have to jump through hoops.
enough bloody paperwork already.
Thank you. You are the only one making sense here. It's a dumb idea.
Does the OP even know what he is talking about? Even if they had done a Background check on John Wrenshall it would have come out clean.
this is Thailand. You are asking for people who work for peanuts to do more work.
Last edited by mustafarodupthere; 30th December 2008 at 17:47. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
My understanding is that he has previous convictions as was reported in the press.
Maybe its just a bit of wishful thinking on my part, regards ridding the industry of Kiddy fiddlers. Perhaps I dont know what I am talking about Mustafa - I havent taught a class in 7 years nor do I ever intend to set foot in a plave where tefling is even going on. I take it you arent a teacher?
I want to live like a poor man,but with a lot of money
i think we need to get over the embarassment factor.
Thais will forget it pretty quick.
I conducted my own piece of research into this after reading a fearful thread on another Foreign forum.
not 1 of the 23 Thais I spoke to had heard of Wrenshall.
paedophiles will be caught as long as there are paedophiles in existance.
there are more arrested than the 1 or 2 that gets arrested in the teaching industry each year.
this coupled with the fact that as far as the every day thai is concerned, the whole subject is nowhere near as important as we consider it.
99% of cases of paedophilia occur domestically.
the foreign offender is a tincy tiny drop in the ocean.
Convictions where? Because if you run a check on him it runs in Canada.
Humbert is the voice of reason here.
nothing quite like a bit of sensationalist paedophilic drama to get the expat natives wagging their tails.
the hysteria in the UK is absurd, to the point that a kid isn't allowed to sit on the lap of a non parent without some wild accusation.
this never used to be the case.
i hope thailand retains at least a sense of common sense here.
feeding the issue, fanning the flames is the last thing we need to be doing.
The question is, Do YOU know what you're talking about? John Wrenshall had two previous CONVICTIONS for sex with minors. A simple background check would have uncovered that.
Does the OP even know what he is talking about? Even if they had done a Background check on John Wrenshall it would have come out clean.
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