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Isn't everything in Thailand meaningless? I thought Thais did everything for show?
Tell us more enlightened one.Originally Posted by Baghead
Too long in Exile, too long not singing my song.
Too long like a rolling stone, Too long in exile
Too long in Exile, baby you just arent my friend.
Too long in Exile my friend, Baby you can never go home again.
I think there's a basic cultural misunderstanding here.
To 'show respect' is a way for the society to function better. If you don't respect the person, you can address the issue in far better ways than showing anger and/or aggression, which is the only solution the West has come up with.
You can also modify the ceremony. In my university the students only come to the teachers they want to 'honour', which makes it an incredibly meaningful and even tear-jerking moment.
Yes, the ungainly 'walking on knees' is an issue, as is the length of the ceremony, and I'm sure if we had Thai ajarns on this board they would agree.
Look at them yo-yos
That's the way ya TEFL
You play the hang-man in a sweet EP
No, that ain't workin'
That's the way ya TEFL
Get your Thai baht for nothin' and your giks for free...
Possibly. Or else people understand just fine and it's actually all a bit of a farce when compared to the realities of Thai education.
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^ Yes, I'm sure the human race has existed for millenia by practicing farcical traditions without any redeeming social benefit.
Still hunting for the leprechaun's pot of gold and living entirely on spuds?
Look at them yo-yos
That's the way ya TEFL
You play the hang-man in a sweet EP
No, that ain't workin'
That's the way ya TEFL
Get your Thai baht for nothin' and your giks for free...
I see.
Well, it's not the human race we're dealing with and it hasn't existed for millenia. It's Thailand, not all of humanity (we've all kept up with this much I hope) and it can't have existed in its current form for much more than a hundred years at most because that's when modern schooling started there, so that's not exactly "millennia". People are going to have differing views on this WB. I don't think it's going to be possible to fend them all off to keep the image rosy.
You seem to get your knowledge about what constitutes Irish culture from American TV. Has this got anything to do with Wai Kru or is it just a personal jab?
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Good.
Thais aren't human?Well, it's not the human race we're dealing with
Depends which "it" you're referring to.and it hasn't existed for millenia.
Again, my post was dealing with human nature, which would (one suspects) include our Siamese brethren.It's Thailand, not all of humanity (we've all kept up with this much I hope)
Define modern. There was no education of any kind in Thailand before the 1900's?and it can't have existed in its current form for much more than a hundred years at most because that's when modern schooling started there
Again...so that's not exactly "millennia".
Indeed. The OP who admits he has never been to a Wai Kru ceremony has a differing view from the rest of Thailand. Am I allowed to have a differing view too?People are going to have differing views on this WB.
What ARE you talking about? I said MY experience of it has been positive as I seek to understand the culture around me, rather than dismiss it as irrelevant and "farcical".I don't think it's going to be possible to fend them all off to keep the image rosy.
Nah, reading mostly.You seem to get your knowledge about what constitutes Irish culture from American TV.
'twas nought but a joke, old bean. Did you take offence? Is it insensitive to mock other cultures?Has this got anything to do with Wai Kru or is it just a personal jab?
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Look at them yo-yos
That's the way ya TEFL
You play the hang-man in a sweet EP
No, that ain't workin'
That's the way ya TEFL
Get your Thai baht for nothin' and your giks for free...
All I see is the zebra crossing.
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You must spread some reputation around before giving it to grumbletusson again.
Last edited by WilliamBlake; 15th July 2009 at 16:08.
Look at them yo-yos
That's the way ya TEFL
You play the hang-man in a sweet EP
No, that ain't workin'
That's the way ya TEFL
Get your Thai baht for nothin' and your giks for free...
Not for the masses, I don't think, no. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Post of the year...
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Depends on what you define as 'education' though, Matty.
How could skills, morals, legends, traditions, poems or music be passed down if there was no one occupying the role of educator? I'd be curious to know how far back the ceremony dates. A Thai colleague suggested centuries.
Look at them yo-yos
That's the way ya TEFL
You play the hang-man in a sweet EP
No, that ain't workin'
That's the way ya TEFL
Get your Thai baht for nothin' and your giks for free...
I don't think the issue is one of respect. Most who decry 'wai kru day' think that it's a tradition of showing false respect. Showing respect all year long by showing up on time, not talking when the teacher is talking etc, are more meaningful ways and are 'actual' ways of showing respect. Having a ceremony where students are forced to bow on their knees to people who they largely do not respect is nonsense. That's the gist of the criticism we have.
It also reinforces this Thai idea of higher and lower segments of society, which is harmful for countless reasons already discussed. Respect is a two way street that teachers as well as students can practice on a daily basis.
Performing as mindless subjects once a year is not necessary to keep society together.
Last edited by panhunger; 15th July 2009 at 20:25.
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speaking for all the cultural imperialists/farang supremacists on Ajarn Forum.
can't say that's true in my case. one of the nice things about teaching thai students is that the vast majority of them are well behaved and respectful to me as a teacher. can't say i've had too many that faked respect. they are genuinely polite and and respectful, IMO.
it's the students getting on their knees that seems to offend many farang. without that requirement that they get down like they are bowing before the queen of england, the ceremony is a pretty nice ceremony, IMO, and it's good to keep some cultural ceremonies in this fast paced, globalized world.
Last edited by Farangrakthai; 15th July 2009 at 22:04.
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