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    Re: English Preparation schools

    Quote - It's a long process and the only other thing that would help is to send him to America for 2 years.

    I thought you wanted him to speak English!

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    Re: English Preparation schools

    Quote Originally Posted by martyboy View Post
    Quote - It's a long process and the only other thing that would help is to send him to America for 2 years.

    I thought you wanted him to speak English!
    quite right, Martyboy, I have often been asked if I speak English. (I look more German than American) My reply is always, no, but I speak American!

    Quote Originally Posted by tropic of cancer View Post
    Look up the meaning of idiom (should you happen not to know it).
    I enjoyed that, Tnx. I speak American and I know it is almost nothing BUT idioms. My problem is I write just like I speak, in very long sentences.

    [quote="THX 1133;1224343"]Why doesn't he want to go to BKK?[/quote

    He has a father problem and his father lives in BKK.
    Last edited by thefossil; 5th July 2009 at 06:05. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

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    Re: English Preparation schools

    Quote Originally Posted by thefossil View Post
    quite right, Martyboy, I have often been asked if I speak English. (I look more German than American) My reply is always, no, but I speak American!



    I enjoyed that, Tnx. I speak American and I know it is almost nothing BUT idioms. My problem is I write just like I speak, in very long sentences.



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    Re: English Preparation schools

    Quote Originally Posted by robitusson View Post
    He should be reading English articles, books, newspapers, etc., and using a dictionary alongside his reading, everyday without fail. It's one of the best habits he can develop to learn the language in the long run imo.
    If he comes to me after schools out, I will assuredlly inundate him in books and newspapers. He, however, is very much like that horse you lead to drink. Unless he is in a school atmosphere, I am afraid he will feck off. That is the way I learned to speak Thai, (books and dictionary, not fecking off) and it is very effective. Thanks for reminding me.

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    Re: English Preparation schools

    Quote Originally Posted by robitusson View Post
    He should be reading English articles, books, newspapers, etc., and using a dictionary alongside his reading, everyday without fail. It's one of the best habits he can develop to learn the language in the long run imo.
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    Re: English Preparation schools

    Quote Originally Posted by panhunger View Post
    ...if I've said this once, I've said it a...
    I hope you will have more mother-in-laws than me and be pursued into the mountains by sex-mad baboons!

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    Re: English Preparation schools

    [quote=THX 1133;1224353] The Thai's do excel at teaching English grammar. A Thai M6 is probably better at English grammar than 99% of us native speakers; so why can't they speak? Because "grammar" isn't the key to English (speaking).

    Have to totally disagree. Thai teachers do not excel at teaching grammar. they might have a lot of knowledge but common sense should tell you that teaching complex grammar to students who can barely read or speak is an utter waste of time. As for M6 students being better than native speakers, I would guess your 99% estimate is about 98% too high. Thais can 't speak because they never get asked questions, they can't write becasue all they do is fill in the gaps.

    As for grammar knowledge how many students have your heard who can even use the past simple tense. there may be a few in expensive schools who learn privately but not many.

    To the O.P if you want the job done properly, you have to do it yourself.

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    Re: English Preparation schools

    ..bkk is a large city...what are the chances he would run into his father? I'm sure you're doing all you can, but greater exposure to an English language environment is much more beneficial to language acquisition than schools, grammar instruction, and reading the latest article about sea slug infestations....

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    Re: English Preparation schools

    Quote Originally Posted by peelieorion View Post
    To the O.P if you want the job done properly, you have to do it yourself
    Agreed, but I am very old and in poor health. My wife is not much better, so we just can't govern a young boy/man properly.

    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    bkk is a large city...what are the chances he would run into his father?
    I don't want to get too deep into family matters, but the father will come looking for him. Just how many English schools are there in BKK? Eventually he will be found. I have let it be known that if anything bad happens to the boy, I will feed him his privates. Before I get nasty.
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    Re: English Preparation schools

    Quote Originally Posted by robitusson View Post
    He should be reading English articles, books, newspapers, etc., and using a dictionary alongside his reading, everyday without fail. It's one of the best habits he can develop to learn the language in the long run imo.
    Totally agree except for the dictionary alongside the reading. Contextual guessing would be more benefical whilst reading and the dictionary only a fallback/confirmation at the end of the reading session.
    Last edited by TFHOTA; 5th July 2009 at 17:01. Reason: Typo, maybe I needed the dictionary :)

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    Re: English Preparation schools

    Thanks to all for your advice. I promise to talk to him and ask him if he wants to stay around the old homestead and obey the house rules. Probably not, but he is maturing swiftly. Who knows what tomorrow will bring.

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    Re: English Preparation schools

    [quote=peelieorion;1224518]
    Quote Originally Posted by THX 1133 View Post
    As for grammar knowledge how many students have your heard who can even use the past simple tense. .
    Of course. I pre-prepared a list of questions (in the Past Simple) for my know-it-all M3 MEP students the other day. I have to teach them the same book as Regular Program students and they never fail to transmit how tediously simple it all is...

    So I went round one-by-one, (after explaining they had to answer using the object phrase), getting them to stand up, asking them:

    'How did you get to school this morning?'
    'Did you wear a skirt yesterday?'
    'What did you have for breakfast this morning?'
    'Did you sleep with a teddy bear last night?'
    'Who did you sit next to on your first day?' etc, etc...

    requiring them to answer in five seconds or they had to go and stand at the front of the class.

    The 'forfeit' was having to parrot 'I know the Past Simple, but I can't use it', in unison.

    About half of each of three classes couldn't cut it and some of these kids are shit hot in terms of (e.g.) knowing the abstract noun corresponding to an adjective.

    The yawning gap between theory and application.

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    Re: English Preparation schools

    ^ welcome to teaching M3s. you'd be surprised how many E.P students go through 3 years and are still unable to use English as a means to communicate efficiently. You'd be even more surprised, no let me say shocked at how many are unable to use the language and do not understand basic syntax to be able to pick out the incorrect component in a regular, (but a little long), sentence.
    Those that want to read whatever they can want all freedoms, but have to understand they can have freedom, but it must be within the law.

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    Re: English Preparation schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Classic-Chassis View Post
    you'd be surprised how many E.P students go through 3 years and are still unable to use English as a means to communicate efficiently. You'd be even more surprised, no let me say shocked at how many are unable to use the language and do not understand basic syntax to be able to pick out the incorrect component in a regular, (but a little long), sentence.
    ...no, I wouldn't...that has been the case in nearly every country I've taught in...a classroom is not a place to learn English...it's a place to learn about English...

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