What’s the story with the “qualification", "certification", or "credential" obsession in Thailand? I’m not sold on some of my HS teachers (or current friends from undergrad who are now teacher’s) with “qualification", "certification", or "credential" should ever have been allowed in front a crop of carrots let alone students.
Let me explain by telling you about my friend.
He attended Cal-Tech (top 3 US engineering school) and graduated from the school of engineering. He worked in industry for 8 years and was making around 120k a year. Decided he wanted to change careers and teach math at an LA HS. He had no teaching ", but California recognizes that professionals who have been successful and have certain degrees are a valuable teachering resource. CA employed him immediately and paid for the costs of his teaching credential. He keeps getting recognition uncommon for his few years of teaching experience. These programs are in place all over The States. Great deal for the school districts.
Question and Answer:
What if he had come to Thailand to teach math and science without the "qualification, certification, credential"?, how much money would he have made, and would he have been a candidate for schools searching for B.Ed's(even with an “emphasis in Mathematics or related” to teach math and science? 30000 baht, and hell no.
Would I have him teach my kids math and science over a teacher with a general B.Ed (even with an “emphasis in Mathematics or related”)? f--- yes! without reservation. In fact, I would insist.
Would I want anyone with an applied maths, engineering or related degree and verifying experience to teach my kids math and science over a teacher with a general B.Ed(even with an “emphasis in Mathematics or related”? f--- yes! without reservation. In fact, I would insist.
I understand the value of the "qualification, certification, and credential". But can someone please explain to me how a school with the resources to offer 100k baht a month salary could take a pass on these (ie, eg my friend) candidates and grant a B.Ed with experience an opportunity? I know teachers in The States that by their own admission don't have the intellectual ability to match the aforementioned in math and science. I studied engineering at Michigan for a year before switching to the B School. The difference in intellect between these majors need not be explained. Why not take a pass on the B.Ed and offer the greater (potential or otherwise) talent a job and an opportunity to get the "qualification, certification, credential"?
SOMEONE PLEASE ADVISE.
And for those B.Ed holders, please don’t take this as a passive aggressive knock. I know 90% of you are kick-ass teachers, but you must acknowledge this issue. There is a HUGE disparity in $ with not much of a reconciliation to be offered as far as I’ve heard thus far.
Sorry but I don't understand you question and I think I'm the only other person online now (I have a day off tomorrow :smile.
Your friend had an engineering degree and was sponsored by a school which recognised his potential to study for a teaching credential. This sounds very similar to a B-Ed, where a student studies for a BA specialization but with an additional period dedicated to teaching this specialization. Any applicant to a B-Ed course must prove their specialization and teaching potential before being accepted onto the course.
I think the difference in Thailand is that as a foreigner the emphasis is on the teacher to gain and pay for the best teaching qualification they can get before applying for jobs, as schools here don't usually train new recruits for free in the way your friend enjoyed in his native country.
Does that help?
This is becoming an obsession...
to be specific:
My friend was given correctly recognized as a talented teacher in his preferred subject(s)before having the "credential, qualification, etc, etc" and given a position vs. being immediately rejected due to not having this "designation". Specifically, Thailand has some hang up on this thing. Maybe due to Asia's something? or due to some countries (tt love credentials, but never get job's in The States due to lack of real experience and over-confidence based on reliance of credentials) here that have incorrectly influenced and educated the powers at be on this issue?, or I dunno?
my day off tomorrow too. thx for the reply. hope the tone doesn't sound too stupid. just venting.
It's not really possible to compare Thailand with any other western country in regards to teaching qualifications. Most Western countries have a major shortage of teachers and therefore you can do on the job training as a graduate and get your teaching qualification while you work (at a lessor pay scale though)
Just having a degree might mean you are an SME (subject matter expert) but having a teaching qualification means that you have at least studied the psychology of education, curriculum management, instructional design etc etc
To be specific your friend was recognised as a good potential teacher who had all the requisite knowledge needed and a school sponsored him to get qualified, but he did still have to get qualified. There is no system like that in Thailand to pay for a foreigner (who might not even stay here long term) to get qualified and work in Thai schools.
By the way most schools in the west not only insist on a teaching qualification, they also insist on continued professional development throughout a teaching career. http://www.scotland.gov.uk/library3/...tp21a-03.asp#4
Odi et amo. Quare id faciam, fortasse requiris? Nescio, sed fieri sentio et excrucior.
so advised and duly noted. now I can get back to this f---- application for a M.Ed. How much would a full set of required docs run me down on KaoSan? oh well, time for a crab dinner and some beers down at da beach.
No. summed up in no words.
Too long in Exile, too long not singing my song.
Too long like a rolling stone, Too long in exile
Too long in Exile, baby you just arent my friend.
Too long in Exile my friend, Baby you can never go home again.
easy boys. it was meant to be a joke. ref: old pissed off meditating hippy and the creative one "up to you" hmmm. relax and go back to "control freakin" your Thai ladies, cuz it ain't happenin here. as the Brits say, "for f----s sake!!"
once again, now showered, I'm on the way out to da beach for crab dinner and some beers.
btw - low ESL teaching salaries could be attributed to intolerable wankers that no one can deal with due to critical, control freaky type of behavior.
Robby boy not the way to make friends if its a joke then indicate so with an emoticom. Damn!! :chug:You are funny though nah a newbie no wanker needed.. ref: old pee off meditating hippy and the creative one "up to you" hmmm. relax and go back to "control freakin" your Thai ladies, cuz it ain't happenin here. as the Brits say, "for f----s sake!!"
sorry a'lil sensitive after the periodic rash flare ups. i'll be in bkk for the oct break. plan was to get out of phuket and relack in an air con box in the city of sin. thinking sukumvit as I relack best around pool tables and the "bkk phenomenon" of 20 year old pu-yings taking a "genuine" interest in my welfare.
if you're around, first round is on me. flare up should be under control.