I just got back home (11.30 pm) and see many posts here. Tomorrow morning the first thing I will do is to tell you guys what I think is a Thai perspective for these issues.
Good night everyone,
this has the potential to be a very interesting thread, even for non-noobs.
Imodium can't stop me.
Ok that's a lot of questions for one post, but just so as to have one post with all 17 addressed here we go forgive me if any are short...starting 17 different threads would get these answered in far more detail.
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"Man" is a personal pronoun, similar to "it"....used to refer to animals...so if a student said "man poot wa arrai" to his neighbour when asked a question by you, he would be saying something intended as an insult on the assumption you have no idea it's insulting..ie "what is it saying?"...in other words not affording the same respect that a Thai teacher would automatically be conferred...and thus getting a cheap laugh from his neighbours or the class as a whole. I am sure there are many examples of how Thai students exploit the typical lack of Thai language knowledge displayed by the average Farrang teacher, but this is certainly one I have encountered. Another is writing insulting comments in Thai on their desks in liquid paper about the teacher...something they would not do with a Thai teacher.
This is a difficult topic for me to discuss in English because my English is not that good. I try to think about these cultural issues and be true to myself to answer.
I will do my best to communicate what I see from my Thai perspective. Of course, everything has exceptions.
There is always personal background of the people you are dealing with involved.
In working, Thais do not pay attention on how smart people are as much as farangs do.
Thais pay attention, sometimes unconsciously, on pleasing one another and to rely on one another. (We can talk about 'why it turns out to be like this?' later).
These are what Thais believe that it will keep them safe and continuously be benefited.
1. You can not be too smart because you will make others look bad or stupid. But you can be a good friend to them unlimitedly, then you will be praised. Being good friend is to please them no matter at work or personal matters. You might see a Thai spending enormous of time in their life going to so many funerals, wedding or different events of people who could potentially benefit them in their work, or who have helped them in the past (we call this as 'Boonkun'. We could discuss about this later).
2. One of the reason Thais often say 'mai-bpen-rai'(That's ok, not a big deal) is that they want to please you by showing that they are nice to you. If you are the one who can still benefit them, even you did something wrong, they will accept you and protect you. Positively looking at this, it is nice because they take things easy. But also, the coin has 2 sides always, it could go too far like not letting any students fail at all because they afraid that this will not please the kids parents. They are afraid that this will harm them somehow; their income, their reputation, etc.
Jeez, I think and write in English very slowly. I got to go. I have a Thai lesson at International school. I will be back and continue writing this.
All the best,
Looks like you're doing pretty well with the English.
I agree it is always a pleasure to see native Thai speakers posting so eloquently in English on this site.
Yes, good to see.
I wonder if your accolades would still continue if the OP was a man.
I do find her points to be eloquent and well thought out. It is an interesting perspective.
As other posters have said a lot of those questions work themselves out or the person leaves.
The first issue about dress. I find that a lot of younger teachers dress like they are going out to night clubs. It isn't about looking good but looking professional. If one gets comments on their sexyness, then perhaps they are not dressing professional.
Some of the other issues like passing students regardless. Many countries are doing this now. As others have said use a standard ruberick and grade students accordingly. Even though they may pass a low mark is a low mark. Some teachers don't like it because they cannot punish their students by failing them. I always feel that you have failed your students if you fail your students. Even the students with low ability can make progress and deserve to be rewarded.
Most of the other interpersonal communication issues are relatively minor. The simple answer is adjust. Stop thinking that you are special and that the way that you do stuff is the only right way. Accept others that have to accept you.
Unfortunately, in many work environments teachers are pushed extremely far and given ridiculous demands. It is hard but pick your battles.
The one thing that I disagree with the OP is that "even you did something wrong, they will accept you and protect you."
Typically Thais do not have a lot of conflict resolution skills. Once you do something wrong you are on their shitlist forever.
I have worked in some groups where two colleagues had an issue and the workflow stopped as a result. They wouldn't ignore their issues and just work together. It takes a lot to overcome any minor conflict.
I actually think the stupid Thai culture course that people have to take would be better if they stop teaching how to eat som tam, and discuss issues on work place communication.
It is often the manner in how things approached from western perspective that creates the conflict not on what the end result is.
Good thread OP. I think that this is a lot better than the what I learned in my 2 years thread.
^Me too. I just assumed it was a guy, dunno why.
As to the accolades, I would prefer to hear the Thai perspective on the 17 issues in the OP before potentially bestowing mine. I feel the OP has not told us anything yet that we didn't already know and specific answers to those 17 issues would be more useful.