Imodium can't stop me.
I was referring to your remark that "Thais are stupid and lazy" - my point was that if you teach them right, they'll learn. I blame the Thai teachers. You can't teach what you don't know.
When I was introduced to the "English Department" at the local high school, the "English teachers" couldn't even answer simple questions like: "How long have you been teaching here?"
** What is no joke however is how you totally ignored the "No Fail System" which causes students who are prone to be lazy anyway (a generalised Thai characteristic) to be even lazier. The Thai teachers English ability isn't really the main problem. The problem lies in the overall system.
Seriously (as a generalisation - as that is all we have to cling to), Thais do not think that whities should sapeak Thai in Thailand, it just isn't in their terms of reference, in fact it conflicts with their learning of 'Thainess' and all the elephants in the room those traits bring. Thais learn, at an early age, that 'Thainess' is special and can only be given through birth. Guess what one of those Thainess traits is?
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I give up! I don't see any sense in arguing with you, explaining myself, and reading your judgements about me.
I've felt it earlier and tried to participate, but it just doesn't work.
No big deal, there are other websites I enjoy for years (even though you guys don't believe that).
We won't miss each other!
I hope you don't give up on your students so easily...
You lose one argument and you're leaving the forum?...that's akin to having one out of fifteen classes go bad and leaving the school...
The problems with Thailands English education are the same as the problems with Thailands general education...they are systemic and fundamental and not the result of any singular issue, outside of culture...
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"You really want to save the planet?...the next time you see a hybrid car with a childseat... smash the window, remove the childseat and replace it with a box of condoms..." Doug Stanhope
He said he worked in an Isaan village. It's true there that to get along with folks, make a good impression and generally get practical things done on a day to day basis... that in an Isaan village one needs to speak some Thai and indeed there will be many Thais here who will expect you to speak in their language, even the Isaan dialect, or at the very least, make the sensible point to the farang that to get by they'll need to pick up some language; but to "expect" you to know their language often says more about what English the Thai knows than it does about their attitude to westerners in Thailand.
Perhaps trying to express this is where yoots seems to be going a bit wrong and assuming it means that Thais think westerners here should learn their language.
I found even the ones that jabber at you in paasaa Isaan don't really expect you to understand, and that's even a part of it all. Why indeed would a stupid farang understand? But if he does that's a big deal... and look: it even drinks whiskey!
There are a number of ways of examining this issue but generally I don't think farangs are supposed to know Thai. If they want to survive an Isaan village though, they're going to have to learn some.
Of course there will be cases where a Thai thinks the farang is in their country so they should be speaking Thai, but many times surely this is down to a bad attitude in the farang more than expectation on the part of the Thai that farangs here should know their language.
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Some of the comments here made me laugh.... Just because that English is your native language and you teach it, doesn't mean that you know it all. As a Thai, it's kinda fun to read tho :-)
Oh o So my grammar sucks huh? I actually work in one of the top tier international school in bkk. Would love to criticize your second language grammar! Oh wait u already speak English so no need to learn another language right? Hehe
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