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    Bailing

    I'm 8 months into a 1-yr. contract (which stipulates 30-days advanced notice must be given prior to quitting) at a private language institute here in BKK (branches in 4 malls)...

    I'm flourishing, I have a good reputation, I really like my students, and I have good relationships with everyone on staff...but the utter lack of communication, management ability and business "smarts" at the school is starting to drive me nuts. So, I'm looking around...

    I've always "done the right thing" in resignation situations in the past, but, based on how this school is run and some recent issues pertaining to teachers' compensation, etc. I'm not at all sure that I'd get paid for my last month.

    Has anyone ever been stiffed on their last month? What repercussions might I face if I don't give any notice?, etc.

    Thx,
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    It is always a tricky one... the obvious, decent answer would be to give notice anyway, and if they don't pay you take some small pleasure in knowing that you did the right thing. That is the obvious/decent answer, though perhaps not the best option in your situation. Go with your gut instincts and be safe in the knowledge that you were doing what you thought to be best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by F K Thornbury View Post
    the utter lack of communication, management ability and business "smarts" at the school
    That is no reason to quit a job in Thailand...you'll not find many schools that do not exhibit those same characteristics...

    If you do move on it'll most likely be sideways...hoping to move in an upward direction is evidence of a lack of experience...

    You listed some good things about your job...look on that as a bonus...

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    ..if you do decide to bail...just do it...

    don't give it a second thought...the same occurs from them when they fire you or don't renew your contract...
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    Find another job then bail. In my experience 8/10 admins are idiots. That's Thailand. Why do the right thing for them? Did they do the right thing for you?

    IMO Thai contracts are worth about nothing.

    Of course it'd never do any good to discuss your problems with the management. No doubt they haven't a clue they've erred in any way.

    Or ask permission to leave early and find them a warm body to take your place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thaitanium View Post
    If you do move on it'll most likely be sideways...hoping to move in an upward direction is evidence of a lack of experience...
    Yeah, it's my first job, but I'm not actually naive. I understand what you're saying, my main motivation besides the frustrations are better days (I currently do not have weekends off), and better pay. Thanks for the info.

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny danger View Post
    IMO Thai contracts are worth about nothing.
    Agreed. I just wondered if anyone had any horror stories of former employers messing with them after they'd quit w/o notice. Thanks.

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    Like blackballed? That'd be something hard to prove. If it did happen I guess it's most probable during one of their yearly extracurricular activities, a gossip and eating fest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by F K Thornbury View Post
    my main motivation besides the frustrations are better days (I currently do not have weekends off), and better pay. Thanks for the info.
    like JD said, get the job lined up first , TBH, it doesn't sound like you have it so bad where you are at. If you find a place that offers enuff of a pay increase to make it worth the move ;take it. But expect it to be run with the same mis-management as the school you at now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fred flintstone View Post
    But expect it to be run with the same mis-management as the school you at now.
    A very likely outcome. The admins I did have a good experience with seemed to have one thing in common: They either had employed foreigners for many years or they were run by Thais who had lots of First World living experience. But logically your Thai lead might have had lots of socialization abroad but their opinions mean nothing to their supers. Checkmate!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonny danger View Post
    Like blackballed? That'd be something hard to prove. If it did happen I guess it's most probable during one of their yearly extracurricular activities, a gossip and eating fest.
    I was thinking more along the lines of ringing me up with Labor or Education for breaching my contract (not giving 30-days notice). The owner of the school has exhibited some serious pull with Government (where he held a high-ranking position in the Interior Ministry) and with Royalty (a visit by one Royal for our grand opening).

    Maybe I'm paranoid.

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    Get sick.

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    Everybody and their dog has "pulling power" in Thailand it seems. Just remember, if they are the real deal, they wont waste a second of their lives caring about you or your situation. If you dont like your job, get a better one then leave.
    This is it... The apocalypse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by F K Thornbury View Post
    my main motivation besides the frustrations are better days (I currently do not have weekends off), and better pay.
    Okay, the truth comes out here. You want your weekends off and more money. If you focus on administrators being good to you or acknowledging you, then you won't be happy teaching anywhere in Thailand ... or the US either, for that matter. Give the goddamn 30 days' notice since you agreed to it, or if you get another job lined up, give two weeks' notice and apologize to your current employer about the short notice. No reason to overthink this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonny danger View Post
    find them a warm body to take your place.
    Never thought I'd agree with JD...

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    Regarding "once you quit a job, your work permit and one-year visa are null and void. You are allowed a maximum of seven days to leave the country and get a new visa"... that certainly can't apply to a non-O can it?

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    If its linked to your work permit it does. You don't get 7 days either, you have to leave same day unless you pay for a 7 day extension at immi.
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