What would you recommend for someone who has been teaching for years without a certificate? CELTA seems a bit newbie-oriented but is widely recognised. LTTC doesn't seem to be at all recognised in Thailand and employers might look down their nose at it being an online qualification but it's cheaper and more suitable for someone with experience and sounds grander. One other option is not to do either because with years of experience a certificate will make no difference to one's employment prospects. Your thoughts?
it isn't likely to make a difference in Thailand. i've yet to hear of anyone asking for one. however, some places, such as the middle east, have employers that want such things. CELTA's probably better for that because it's better known.
Imodium can't stop me.
Put down your arrogance and do a CELTA.
If you've never studied how to teach it will probably do you some good. Even though you've been 'teaching' for years.
Guy Manpoof sux nuts for $$.
Tomcat trained. Satisfaction guaranteed.
^That is probably true, but what is even more true is that learning how to teach on your own after getting some experience will do you some serious good too. I'm not sure where this need to spend money to get good at something via a class came from anyway, really. Anyway, I will forever advise on this question to just come over, dont spend any money for these employers, you will understand when you get here (they wont spend a dime on you). If you want to be a good teacher, as mentioned that is easy as well for those so inclined.
Human arrogance is really quite amazing.
Are you not moonlighting as a well paid computer programmer or software developer?
All they do is type, after all.
To end, who would make the better teacher, a person who takes a CELTA, or a person who has a burning desire to learn how to teach and doesn't take it? I'm sure we know your answer, but in reality it is case closed as to who will actually be the better teacher (just go have a gander at all the backpackers that have taken celta for some evidence).
Perfect Present's assumption that humans can't learn from experience is a bit baffling. if someone didn't figure it out the first time there wouldn't BE a course. that said, i've heard good things about the CELTA from people who've taken it (and my impression of the people in question is that they were conspicuously not idiots), and if you have money kicking around and want to be a better teacher it could possibly help, even if you've been teaching a while. also, as i believe i mentioned before, if you want to teach EFL outside of Thailand (the Middle East in particular) they ask for an 120-hour course, and some employers even say they require it.
if you really want to impress 'good employers' get a teaching credential from your home country.
The applicant profile should be as follows:
•Male or Female Teacher aged above 21
•Bachelor’s degree (for work permit).
•Teaching qualification certificate (TEFL).
•Native level proficiency in English.
•Experience in teaching young learners is desirable.
•Able to attend an interview.
they left off 'pulse'.
i suspect you're right but i probably missed 'em as i haven't tended to look for a bog standard job. teaching jobs aren't exactly hard to get in Thailand, so i suspect with a lot of these language academies even a pulse is optional. i looked at the teaching jobs offering 50k + on the Ajarn ads and only one asked for a certificate (several expect a legit teaching credential, however, and some even stipulate that certificates don't count).
bottom line though if you're not going to get over 40k anyway, why spend the money? it won't get you more money or a better job. if you want to be a 'real' teacher' get a 'real' credential, although this may mean spending a lot of money or going back to your home nation to study and do your observed teaching. this won't necessarily make you a better teacher either (although if you do the work honestly it should, as should the CELTA), but it will at least give you a legit credential and more options.
^I am going way off topic here, because I find it interesting, but I will swear that people, in general, just simply aren't good at learning without a structured class. If people aren't somehow compelled, in a way, to do something, there is no real self motivation there to actually do it. In other words, classes are for people that don't actually care very much in my opinion. They want to care, but they don't really. If they did, they could do it without the classes for sure (and would probably be busy just doing whatever it was instead of signing up for classes etc). Now, of course that same person could do it with classes as well, but i'd hope my point would be understood.... essentially that learning to turn yourself into a top notch anything, is necessarily going to be done by yourself for the most part. Anyway.... i'll tune out as i'm fully aware i'm not adding anything of actual use except for interests of my own, ha. Forgive any of my differences, as some are stated in jest, others by my own intrigue, but arguing here is essentially ridiculous, so excuse me (to i forget his name?) is the point
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