Yes. Are you for real. I feel you don't get the point of this thread.Originally Posted by Farad
Enlighten the members then.
I wished I had the time and money to do a western course. Self-study for a couple of years and I finally made it. I received my TCT teacher license last March.
Before Thai students can be sent to a university abroad, they have to do basic education first. Foreign teachers in Thailand working in basic education must have a teacher license issued by The Teachers' Council of Thailand.
A teacher license or provisional teaching permit is required for working in basic education. Immigration and Labour are currently enforcing those rules. It's a little bit the way arround but that's the way it is.
Horses for courses, mate. By the way are you working in Thailand and in a basic education school? Moreover, do you hold a TCT Teacher License?
Haltest, sure there's exceptions to everything but I still maintain that any educational qualifications obtained in Thailand will severely limit your career prospects not only in Thailand, but around the world. Most recruiters at top schools anywhere in the world (ie. schools that pay US$3K-$5K) will throw your resume in the garbage when they see only Thai teaching qualifications. I'm not talking about bottom-rung schools.
What I'm trying to say is as foreigners we have the choice to study and obtain our qualifications anywhere in the world, and for about the same effort and a little more money we can obtain Western qualifications that can take us to the top of the industry. Or we can take Thai courses that limit us to the bottom (or if we're lucky possibly a mid-tier international school). To each his own...
You've even seen the need to upgrade your qualifications earned in Thailand by doing a PGDE in the UK. In my opinion, you could have saved yourself the time and money by not doing the Thai course and going straight into the UK course. Once you finish the UK course, that Thai course on your resume gives no added value to your qualifications no matter how valuable you personally think it is.
Pedagogue, you're right - I am jealous at Stamp's success at obtaining the Thai teacher's license and teaching elementary science at a bottom-rung school for an average EFL salary....lol.
Yes I am working in Thailand, and yes I have completed the culture course and hold the 5-year TCT license based on Western qualifications (both of which I think are total garbage).
Last edited by Farad; 16th September 2012 at 11:02. Reason: added last line
Great you understand and comply with the current rules for basic education. Now, what's the problem then with teachers who try to achieve what you already have based on western qualifications against teachers who achieved that by self-studying.After all for me it was getting licensed to teach OBEC school in Thailand.
Agreed. I'm an EFL teacher at a government primary English Program following the Basic Education Core Curriculum BE 2551 (AD 2008).
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Still waiting.
Once you come clean about your connections to the TCT your true motives will be clear to everyone...
Judging by the quality of your English and the wording of your posts you're probably from the phillipines. And everyone here know the Phillipino's are in bed with the TCT and the culture course.
Last edited by Farad; 16th September 2012 at 11:45.
The connections I have with The Teachers' Council of Thailand are not different from the connections you have, Farad. Hey, they are actually the same!
We both hold a teacher license issued by them.
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Netherlands, mate.
Sorry, I find this whole discussion creepy.
It was a nice thread until post #31 was posted.
Can you give some more info on this? Specifically, how much money are these people making, what qualifications did they get, what other degrees/qualifications did they have, and did they foreground their Thai qualifications on their resume?
Sure let me just compile a quick questionnaire to email all the people that I know and then I am sure that they will be more than happy for me to post their personal details on a website like this (with their full name, date of birth and full list of qualifications with a summary for their entire work history).....
Odi et amo. Quare id faciam, fortasse requiris? Nescio, sed fieri sentio et excrucior.
None of the questions I asked require personal information, and your hesitancy to divulge suggests that Thai qualifications are actually quite worthless outside of Thailand.
I can tell you about all sorts of people who have many sorts of qualifications and are making a variety of different wages teaching English in different parts of the planet. I can also tell you, from someone who used to sit on a hiring committee outside of Thailand, a line about a Thai qualification would get ignored at best and get laughed at at worst.
OP started this question.
Off topic posts have been deleted.
There are several threads going in the Ice Box for you lot to kick each other on.
If I have to delete more posts from here I'll start handing out major infractions.
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Last edited by Umbuku; 16th September 2012 at 22:02.
We could all sit outside on banana lounges discussing the best way to rebuild a 4WD transmission and agree, through shared stories of conquests supporting our assertions, that there is no basis to the proposition that those least assured of their persuasions are the first to condemn others for theirs.
I think, when it comes to improving your teaching, we're talking about professional development--and that involves both improving as a craftsman and making yourself more valuable on the marketplace. For TEFL--and, for that matter, for higher education--that marketplace is global.
So when it comes to choosing a pedagogical certification that will improve your teaching, it behooves each teacher to chose the certification that will serve both ends. I don't think a Thai piece of paper serves to make a teacher more competitive on the job market, and I see no evidence that it makes a teacher better in the classroom.
Of course, some people have no choice--circumstance requires them to get a Thai certification, and that's okay. But that doesn't mean people who have options should pursue that certification. There is a substantial burden of proof on those who would push the Thai certs to demonstrate their value both in and out of the classroom.
Nothing in this thread has achieved that aim or even come close in my opinion. In fact, the failure to demonstrate its value by answering a few simple questions should make anyone suspicious. Buyer beware.
If you want real concrete examples of people who have augmented their earnings by getting DELTAs, M.Ed. degrees, PGCEs, and U.S. teaching licenses, I can easily provide several, and I'm sure others on this forum can provide many more.
Spend a lot of time in Thailand did you?
I'd guess the most effective teachers in Thailand are those who arrived with natural talent. If you don't have it you go to school and hope to achieve it.
The exceptions are those who don't have it but are convinced they do; those who have been doing it so long they rest on time-on-the-job laurels; those who have invested so much money and time in achieving an advanced degree they mistakenly believe there has to be an advantage or reward to being an academic twit whose manual/common sense skills are outdone by a chimp.
Ever heard of Lula? He has a 4th grade education.
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&....1.gLsESaQQXsI
A teacher at my friend's school did his Dip-Ed at Ramkhamhaeng University. It is a decent international school and he now earns over 100k a month. When he came to Thailand 8 years ago he earned less than 30k.
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