international school jobs with Master's Degree but no US/UK certification

**baah gaofair** · 15th October 2012 08:50

Greetings everyone. I used to teach test preparation and English in Bangkok and have since returned to the US for a master's in international relations and business. I often think about a return to Thailand, and wonder if anyone has experience with or knows of the top tier international schools hiring people who have a master's in an area other than education and who are not certified US/UK teachers. Any thoughts?

**Stamp** · 15th October 2012 17:49

Originally Posted by baah gaofair

I often think about a return to Thailand, and wonder if anyone has experience with or knows of the top tier international schools hiring people who have a master's in an area other than education and who are not certified US/UK teachers. Any thoughts?

Very unlikely. International Schools hire teachers with a degree in education or equivalent and a teacher license from the home country.

**fred flintstone** · 15th October 2012 17:54

this might be worth looking into for getting certified to teach in the US

http://www.abcte.org/

**toong tao daeng** · 15th October 2012 18:02

What if someone had an MA TESOL but wasn't US/UK certified? Would any of the international schools in BKK have any interest, and if so, in what salary range?

**The Perfect Present** · 15th October 2012 19:18

Nothing in the top tier, the low tier though...

I know of 'International Schools' along Ram that hire those with B.A's and TEFL certs if they look and act right.

Money's poor, only starting on around 55k, they do help sponsor their teachers for PGCE's though. They also hire specialist teachers such as Art/Music/Science as long as they have a degree in that subject. Again, poor money, but a foot into the Int. School system and a help with the PGCE.

What if someone had an MA TESOL but wasn't US/UK certified? Would any of the international schools in BKK have any interest, and if so, in what salary range?

A lot of them hire TEFL teachers in order for EFL classes for Asian students who are joining up or coming from Sing/HK. etc. I know one of the Asian Int. Schools along Suk... I forget the Soi number, but I see them advertising for that position a lot. I had an interview there for another position a good few years and turned it down due to the pay. It's run by a Chinese spinster, and I see those EFL jobs there only pay something like 55-60k. But again, a foot in the Int. School door if you don't mind low wages.

**po3try** · 15th October 2012 21:07

Originally Posted by The Perfect Present

I know of 'International Schools' along Ram that hire those with B.A's and TEFL certs if they look and act right.

Money's poor, only starting on around 55k, they do help sponsor their teachers for PGCE's though. They also hire specialist teachers such as Art/Music/Science as long as they have a degree in that subject. Again, poor money, but a foot into the Int. School system and a help with the PGCE.

yep, that's how I got into an Int school in BKK. I wouldn't say 55k was 'poor money' in Thailand TEFLing standard though..

**The Perfect Present** · 15th October 2012 22:49

Depends I suppose.

Did/Do they help sponsor a PGCE?

I think it's a great opportunity for the average TEFLer (or one who's clued in a bit) to get (well) ahead in the game.

**po3try** · 15th October 2012 23:08

Originally Posted by The Perfect Present

Did/Do they help sponsor a PGCE?

they were helping with Masters but not for the newbies like me.

Originally Posted by The Perfect Present

I think it's a great opportunity for the average TEFLer (or one who's clued in a bit) to get (well) ahead in the game.

for sure. just having the name on my cv must help. it's when i turn up for an interview it all falls apart

**The Perfect Present** · 15th October 2012 23:32

btw, did you get in as a B.A. + TEFL homeroom teacher or a specialist subject (Math, Science, Art, Music etc.) due a B.A. in that field, if you don't mind me asking.

**zeusbheld** · 16th October 2012 21:16

Originally Posted by po3try

yep, that's how I got into an Int school in BKK. I wouldn't say 55k was 'poor money' in Thailand TEFLing standard though..

kinda not so glamorous for an international school though. especially if and when they expect you to actually BE there all day... that said though, as you say, it'll look purty on your CV...

**po3try** · 16th October 2012 21:40

Originally Posted by The Perfect Present

btw, did you get in as a B.A. + TEFL homeroom teacher or a specialist subject (Math, Science, Art, Music etc.) due a B.A. in that field, if you don't mind me asking.

B.A + Degree in specialist subject. Computers. They abused me rotten... teaching from pre-kindergarten all the way to grade 12.

**jonny danger** · 16th October 2012 21:49

Might be your necktie.

Give me the lackadaisical teaching jobs at a lower rate of pay any day. I despise spoiled rich kids and micro management-minded admins. I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees.

**ttompatz** · 16th October 2012 22:11

Originally Posted by toong tao daeng

What if someone had an MA TESOL but wasn't US/UK certified? Would any of the international schools in BKK have any interest, and if so, in what salary range?

It won't hurt to ask/apply but the simple fact of the matter is that schools who are internationally accredited need to meet the requirements of their accreditation body and that usually means home country certification and several years of post certification experience.

This is NOT the case for schools who claim to be "international" schools but who are not internationally accredited - they simply have the Thai license as an "International School" and need to follow the same rules as every other k-12 school in the country in terms of teacher recruitment.

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**po3try** · 16th October 2012 22:31

Originally Posted by ttompatz

It won't hurt to ask/apply but the simple fact of the matter is that schools who are internationally accredited need to meet the requirements of their accreditation body and that usually means home country certification and several years of post certification experience.

Same as the TCT, they just need to show that they are working towards it. Incidentally the school I was at lost it's Western accreditation after I left. I like to think I had a littel something to do with that.