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    Fair enough.

    But do you really believe that there's a correlation between the activities of job hunting (cover letters, CV's, etc.) and being a qualified teacher?

    Could William Buckley or Noam Chomsky teach 8th graders?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hentaigaijin
    ...i have cut corners myself when i thought a job was 'beneath me'.
    When you feel that a job is "beneath [you]", why bother applying at all?

    You just end up wasting everyone's time (including yours).

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    Quote Originally Posted by getreal
    Fair enough.

    But do you really believe that there's a correlation between the activities of job hunting (cover letters, CV's, etc.) and being a qualified teacher?

    Could William Buckley or Noam Chomsky teach 8th graders?
    To answer the first question, yes. A good teacher who puts effort into the job hunting will, in many cases, put the effort into the job itself. An applicant who has a dodgy resume that's straight off the database without a cover letter, and then does a bad interview, is undesirable. A good resume properly done, with a personalized cover letter, well dressed and well spoken in a good interview, is desirable.

    Omigod, I can't imagine William Buckley teaching an M2 class. They'd be throwing projectiles at him within minutes.

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    I personally don't like attachments when people apply for a job, I'd rather they cut and paste...but that's just me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by getreal
    Fair enough.

    But do you really believe that there's a correlation between the activities of job hunting (cover letters, CV's, etc.) and being a qualified teacher?

    Could William Buckley or Noam Chomsky teach 8th graders?
    To answer the first question, yes. A good teacher who puts effort into the job hunting will, in many cases, put the effort into the job itself. An applicant who has a dodgy resume that's straight off the database without a cover letter, and then does a bad interview, is undesirable. A good resume properly done, with a personalized cover letter, well dressed and well spoken in a good interview, is desirable.

    Omigod, I can't imagine William Buckley teaching an M2 class. They'd be throwing projectiles at him within minutes.
    I don't know mate....the 'best' CVs I get are generally from people that have nowt to do with teaching.

    I actually have experienced the opposite....damn good resume and interview....crap teacher....tricky one to be honest!

    I don't think they teach you CV writing on BEd courses....do they???


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    Screening e-mail apps. What a nightmare. Like others have stated, I put simple requirements in my ads; like "native speakers of English, please put 'XXXXX' in your subject line. Please send me a cover letter. Please attact your resume in txt, doc, or pdf format." 90% of what I get are:
    A) Non-native speakers
    B) Non degree holders
    C) No cover letter
    D) HUGE attachments
    E) No identification as to what position is applied for (and I currently have 6 openings)

    Unfortunately, with all the filtering I have to do, good people sometimes get filtered out. To these people, I apologize.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenkannif
    I don't know mate....the 'best' CVs I get are generally from people that have nowt to do with teaching.

    I actually have experienced the opposite....damn good resume and interview....crap teacher....tricky one to be honest!
    Yeah, it seems pretty difficult.

    You don't really know what you are getting if you haven't contacted/know people that know the person and how they do their craft.

    I don't think they teach you CV writing on BEd courses....do they???
    Probably. But if you google or hit the web you can find tons of tips and advice on CVs and Cover Letters.

    As you probably know Ken, a lot of people that look good on paper don't connect in the classroom.
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    Then, further down the list, we should add, "His references checked out," and finally, "He did a great demo lesson." Although, once I did well at my first job teaching in Thailand, I got hired two more times without a demo lesson. That's probably because they checked my references with Thai teachers who knew how I taught.

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    Yeah, good point, PB.

    References.

    As good as gold in this industry, with people coming and going all the time, often arriving from over-seas.

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    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...n1223251.shtml

    Take a look at that link, Mr. LDMA, it will answer your question. Don't toot your horn too much, I doubt British University students would fare any better.


    "More than 50 percent of students at four-year schools and more than 75 percent at two-year colleges lacked the skills to perform complex literacy tasks.

    That means they could not interpret a table about exercise and blood pressure, understand the arguments of newspaper editorials, compare credit card offers with different interest rates and annual fees or summarize results of a survey about parental involvement in school.

    The results cut across three types of literacy: analyzing news stories and other prose, understanding documents and having math skills needed for checkbooks or restaurant tips.

    "It is kind of disturbing that a lot of folks are graduating with a degree and they're not going to be able to do those things," said Stephane Baldi, the study's director at the , a behavioral and social science research organization. "

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    Shocking indeed Rico, and I'm sure Chav-ridden Britain contains more of the same, that's not to say that I'm not entitled to bemoan the fact that people don't bother reading my job ads properly.

    My Uni ran a basic computer literacy course in the first year of a Business Admin dregree. The word processing assignment was to write a CV to precise specifications.

    I also recall a similar class during my A-levels.
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    [quote="kenkannif"]I personally don't like attachments when people apply for a job, I'd rather they cut and paste...but that's just me.

    that goes for most ....yes ken


    some of the comments ..well ...


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    Re: Job ad requests

    Quote Originally Posted by LDMA
    In my latest job ad, I requested that applicants attatched a properly formatted resume rather than just giving me a link to the Ajarn DB, which as I've mentioned before prints out badly and doesn't give me much insight into the type of person applying.


    Rather hypocritical that don't you think.


    I mean here is the 'leader' of the Ajarn forum who is refusing to accept CVs from his own website.

    Why not just state in your job advert - ' Those who bother with the absolutely useless Ajarn.com DB need not apply' ?

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    Perhaps you need to get your facts straight first Ugly.

    While I am the forum manager, I am in no way responsible for any other features on Ajarn.com or the TEFLAsia designed jobs and resume sections. Phil is responsible for Ajarn.com and the administration of the jobs and resumes DB.

    I applaud Phil and all involved with making quality features for teachers in Thailand, however I don't feel it's unfair to comment negatively about the impact some of these features are having from the perspective of a recruiter. Phil and the moderators here were quick enough to point out that they didn't find certain features I installed on the forum to their liking, and I'd like to think on a discussion board all members are entitled to express their views about such features whatever their status with the site.

    Remember, I'm using the job ads as a tool for my school, and how I want to go about wording my ad is nothing to do with my role with Ajarn.

    The isssue is not whether the resume db is useless, it's far from that and I'm sure many find it most convenient, but IMNSHO, I feel it is taking the effort, and individuality out of resume writing, which is IMNSHO, still a vital factor for me when looking for teachers.

    This is more an exercise in reading the job ads and following the instructions on them to match my own demands than anything else.

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    It sounds to me like recruiters just want their instructions followed. Some like resumes in PDF format, some in the body of the email. Some want a big, gushy intro. letter, some can't be bothered with too many attachments.

    As a potential employee, can I suggest one thing? PLEASE BE CLEAR. Every job I've ever applied for, I've done so according to the instructions provided. But I'm not a mind reader. If you don't like attachments, but you fail to mention that, you're pre-screening for telepathy, not a willingness to follow your rules.


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