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    IDEA #1...If company A advertises on ajarn and is shown to have been deceptive, lied or misrepresented itself/sevices in the ad, then company A should be confronted. They could be warned or perhaps have their advertising privilages suspended. this would require some agreement on what deception was defined as. for example company A, in its ad states it pays 350 baht per hour when several ajarn members have found this to simply be a come on and that the actual starting salary is 300 baht per hour, that might be construed as misrepesentation. A side benfit of idea #1 could be that word gets out in the thai tefl that ajarn is being tough on schools that are decieve in their ads and other schools might choose to advertise a more upfront way. It might also serve to interject the concept of standards and ethics in the thai tefl industry. a small beginning anyway.

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    Shown by who and how???


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    IDEA #2---Advertisers on the job board would be required o post more information about themselves and the job. foe example a given school could be required to say specifically what the salary is, rather than use 5,000 baht increments whic are sometimes wrong and allow for to much wiggle room downwards for a school.

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    re idea # 1 in response to kk.one idea would be that the supposed wronged party, say the teacher or applicant would simply explain his/her story and oters could do the same. if they cannot show to whomevers satisfaction then the issue is tabled. if however they can show cause or if the advertiser even agrees to having been deceptive, then a decision coukld be made.

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    ^ By anonymous people on here??? Shit you'd need to set up a whole board of unbiased etc. people....going to be tricky.

    Idea No. 3.

    Spend less time moaning on Ajarn and more time bettering yourself as a teacher and looking for better paid work

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    IDEA #3---People who make money by recruiting teachers and who do NOT work for the school could be required to more throughly indentify themselves, company name, maybe even a phone number or web site. ajatrn could even require that the recruiter have a written policy regarding certain problem area. in aother words a bit more, or even a lot more openness on the part of some these folks aho have more that a little in commomn with a ruthless buzzard. one might even ask that they maintain a website or on file with ajarn a typlical contract or a written complaint procedure.

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    re comment from kk on idea numer 2.some shits obvious bait and switch. the inability to catch em all is no reason to make money off even the obvious cheats.

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    So you want Phil to spend more time sorting the wheat from the chaff for (in the long run) less money (as I assume he'll lose some sponsors)....would you???

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    kk, your idea #3's a good one. doing just that, at least the latter half.

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    No one can disagree Watdog that changes are required.

    Of course there is no infrastructure in place to implement and monitor those things that you suggest. You can hardly expect Ajarn.com to take on that responsibility. From what Phil says they screen as much as they could possibly be expected to.e to.

    I guess a school watch site and more active participation, as Defender points out, is the natural starting point.

    There are problems endemic to the TEFL "industry", and the fact that it is rightfully called an "industry" really tells you a lot about the problem. It is not only an industry, it is a poorely, if at all, regulated industry.

    As much as I hate to say it, it really does come down to every person for themself as far as TEFL is concerned. :smile:

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    i want phil, choose some standards over his his immediaste finacces, which i think will pay off in the end. why knowingly aloow cheats and benfit from it? for the moneey? i dont think this is fair and youi become part of the problem.

    Posted after 1 minute 15 seconds:

    huge spelling problems here, sorry

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    i doubt phil does
    knowingly aloow cheats and benfit from it
    (spelling? )

    i'd lay a hefty wager that you couldn't provide any proof that he does...



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    i concur. and ajarn aint my friend or yours for that matter, its just another bottom feeder looking for its buck.

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    Too many people whinging about stupid stuff while doing a bad job.

    Unfortunately that means that when somebody like Watdog has some interesting ideas, school bosses can easily turn their back on them and dismiss them. This is the fault of the teachers. The majority of teachers (not on this forum though IMO) are idiots who aren't even up to the job. Why would we want to stick our necks out for them - we're better off looking out for number one!
    Excuse me for not taking this seriously .....

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