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    The world's most expensive cities:

    If I Was A Rich Manc

    It has always been an Oasis of cool, but Manchester has now taken a step forward to become one of the world’s most expensive places to live, according to the Economist’s Worldwide Cost of Living survey.

    Its transformation has been nothing short of remarkable. The grey underpasses that echoed to the songs of groups like Joy Division have gone, to be replaced by shiny new buildings which cement Manchester’s place as a vibrant, cosmopolitan and distinctly European city.

    With trams wending their way through the city centre and waterside café-bars now commonplace, Manchester certainly doesn’t look out of place as it sits sandwiched between Dusseldorf and Barcelona.

    The surprising table-topper in the list is Oslo, followed by Paris and then Copenhagen. London comes in at fourth and, along with Manchester in 29th place, the two are the UK’s only representatives in the survey of 132 places.

    List in full:

    Rank (last year) City COUNTRY Index
    1 (1) Oslo Norway 132
    2 (4) Paris France 130
    3 (6) Copenhagen Denmark 126
    4 (7) London UK 125
    5 (2) Tokyo Japan 124
    6 (4) Osaka Kobe Japan 118
    6 (3) Reykjavik Iceland 118
    6 (8) Zurich Switzerland 118
    9 (12) Frankfurt Germany 116
    9 (10) Helsinki Finland 116
    11 (13) Seoul South Korea 115
    12 (9) Geneva Switzerland 112
    12 (11) Vienna Austria 112
    14 (16) Milan Italy 108
    14 (24) Singapore Singapore 108
    16 (14) Hong Kong Hong Kong 107
    16 (14) Munich Germany 107
    18 (19) Berlin Germany 106
    18 (16) Sydney Australia 106
    20 (21) Brussels Belgium 104
    20 (16) Dublin Ireland 104
    20 (n/a) Nouméa New Caledonia 104
    20 (21) Stockholm Sweden 104
    24 (19) Melbourne Australia 103
    25 (24) Lyon France 102
    26 (23) Amsterdam Netherlands 101
    26 (29) Moscow Russia 101
    28 (27) New York US 100
    29 (27) Düsseldorf Germany 99
    29 (26) Manchester UK 99
    31 (35) Barcelona Spain 98
    31 (31) Rome Italy 98
    33 (35) Madrid Spain 97
    34 (32) Hamburg Germany 96
    34 (43) Vancouver Canada 96
    36 (35) Chicago US 95
    36 (40) Luxembourg Luxembourg 95
    36 (43) Montreal Canada 95
    39 (35) Los Angeles US 94
    40 (35) Perth Australia 93
    41 (32) Brisbane Australia 92
    41 (40) San Francisco US 92
    43 (47) Toronto Canada 90
    44 (40) Abidjan Cote d'Ivoire 89
    44 (52) St Petersburg Russia 89
    44 (46) Washington, DC US 89
    47 (45) Adelaide Australia 88
    47 (48) Houston US 88
    47 (52) Tel Aviv Israel 88
    50 (29) Auckland New Zealand 87
    51 (51) Shanghai China 86
    51 (32) Wellington New Zealand 86
    53 (48) Istanbul Turkey 85
    53 (48) Taipei Taiwan 85
    55 (54) Athens Greece 84
    55 (54) Miami US 84
    55 (54) Minneapolis US 84
    55 (58) Prague Czech Rep 84
    59 (63) Lagos Nigeria 83
    59 (58) Lisbon Portugal 83
    61 (58) Detroit US 82
    61 (58) Seattle US 82
    63 (58) Beijing China 80
    63 (63) Boston US 80
    63 (67) Guatemala City Guatemala 80
    63 (63) Pittsburgh US 80
    63 (63) Warsaw Poland 80
    68 (67) Dakar Senegal 79
    68 (71) Dalian China 79
    68 (57) Mexico City Mexico 79
    71 (69) Lexington US 78
    72 (70) Amman Jordan 77
    73 (100) Jakarta Indonesia 76
    73 (91) Lusaka Zambia 76
    75 (75) Shenzhen China 75
    76 (71) Guangzhou China 74
    77 (74) Cleveland US 73
    77 (75) Honolulu US 73
    79 (80) Casablanca Morocco 72
    79 (71) Dubai UAE 72
    79 (82) Kiev Ukraine 72
    79 (87) Rio de Janeiro Brazil 72
    79 (87) Sao Paulo Brazil 72
    84 (81) Atlanta US 71
    85 (82) Abu Dhabi UAE 70
    85 (n/a) Suzhou China 70
    87 (84) Bogota Columbia 69
    88 (87) Doha Qatar 68
    88 (95) Kuala Lumpur Malaysia 68
    88 (93) Nairobi Kenya 68
    88 (84) Santiago Chile 68
    92 (107) Bangkok Thailand 67
    92 (107) Belgrade Serbia & Montenegro 67
    92 (77) Budapest Hungary 67
    92 (91) Ho Chi Minh Vietnam 67
    96 (84) Bahrain Manama Bahrain 66
    96 (95) Bucharest Romania 66
    98 (87) Riyadh Saudi Arabia 65
    98 (95) Tianjin China 65
    100 (77) Johannesburg South Africa 64
    100 (77) Pretoria South Africa 64
    100 (n/a) Qingdao China 64
    103 (106) Bandar Seri Begawan Brunei 63
    103 (95) Kuwait City Kuwait 63
    103 (93) Muscat Oman 63
    106 (104) Hanoi Vietnam 62
    106 (100) Montevideo Uruguay 62
    106 (100) Quito Ecuador 62
    109 (100) Jeddah Saudi Arabia 61
    109 (95) Panama City Panama 61
    111 (104) Al Khobar Saudi Arabia 60
    111 (117) Almaty Kazakhstan 60
    111 (107) Lima Peru 60
    111 (110) Sofia Bulgaria 60
    115 (111) Phnom Penh Cambodia 59
    116 (113) Cairo Egypt 58
    116 (113) Colombo Sri Lanka 58
    118 (112) Caracas Venezuela 57
    118 (115) Damascus Syria 57
    120 (117) Buenos Aires Argentina 54
    120 (117) Tashkent Uzbekistan 54
    122 (120) San Jose Costa Rica 53
    123 (115) Algiers Algeria 52
    124 (124) Asuncion Paraguay 51
    125 (121) Dhaka Bangladesh 46
    126 (n/a) Kathmandu Nepal 45
    126 (122) New Delhi India 45
    126 (122) Tripoli Libya 45
    129 (126) Karachi Pakistan 44
    129 (124) Mumbai India 44
    131 (127) Manila Philippines 43
    132 (128) Tehran Iran 34

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    Re: The world's most expensive cities:

    I'm always intrigued by how they calculate these lists. I saw one the other day that had Abu Dhabi ranked above Dubai - something that would amaze anyone living in the UAE.
    It turned out that the whole survey was based solely on school fees.


    It doesn't surprise me that Oslo is top. All the Scandinavian countries are expensive, right?

    I wonder how on earth Lusaka in Zambia can be more expensive to live in than Dubai? Then again, 800 or so Pakistanis and Afghanis living on a work camp in the middle of the desert, of which there are hundreds, would tend to lower the average cost of living in Dubai emirate. Making the stats pretty meaningless, really.

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    Re: The world's most expensive cities:

    boston is tied with pittsburgh

    anyone who has even stepped foot in both towns knows thats absolutely ludicrious. pittsburgh is one of usa's cheapest larger cities, whereas boston has a famous reputation for being one of usa's most expensive.

    a 2-bedroom apartment in Pgh is like $400-500...in boston its like $1000...not to mention the cost of goods/services.

    istanbul was on the list too, which is also insane. and chicago being more expensive than LA?

    but a great thread mate....good food for thought. but from my experiences, this has but a hint of truth to it. cities like tokyo and the like, thats spot on. but pittsburgh aint no boston thats fo' shizzle

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    Re: The world's most expensive cities:

    I guess this is The Economist's list from their intelligence unit... the calculation is based on a comparison of prices and products, and the 500 Afghans living in a tent somewhere in the city would not influence on its position in the ranking...

    see press release here: http://store.eiu.com/index.asp?layou...67&ref=pr_list

    The cost of living survey has its own website: http://www.eiu.com/wcol (it's down at the mo, though...)

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    Re: The world's most expensive cities:

    I disagree with all scandanavian countries being expensive. When I was living in London I visited Stockholm and everybody warned me on prices. I found that food was a better deal and so was lodging
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    better value for money, compared to London
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    Re: The world's most expensive cities:

    Quote Originally Posted by discus2000
    I guess this is The Economist's list from their intelligence unit... the calculation is based on a comparison of prices and products, and the 500 Afghans living in a tent somewhere in the city would not influence on its position in the ranking...
    No accomodation costs factored in, then? The largest expense of all? Hmm...

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    Re: The world's most expensive cities:

    ^yeah...generally arent cost-of-living surveys based on average income and property values/rents?

    the other stuff is considered quality of life stuff, isnt it?

    i know in LA for example, food isnt that expensive. you can still get lunch for under $10 most places. and istanbul- if this was based on products- then why its in the top 200 is beyond me. i got a winter coat there- real nice quality- for ten dollars. youd pay $200 Us dollars at least in most european or u.s. cities.

    good thread olly...makes ya think....but for data and accuracy

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    Re: The world's most expensive cities:

    I lived in Oxford in the Uk and it was just as expensive as London. I am surprised that Dublin isn't higher on the list.

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    Re: The world's most expensive cities:

    Number 71: Lexington US...Lexington as in Lexington, Kentucky?
    I can't imagine any place in Ole Kentuck would be ahead of Honolulu.
    Gotta be another Lexington, whatya think?

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    Re: The world's most expensive cities:

    Quote Originally Posted by garo
    I lived in Oxford in the Uk and it was just as expensive as London.
    I've lived in both those places, and don't agree.
    OK Oxford is pricey, but I could just afford the rent for fairly central oxford, and therefore I could get to anywhere I needed to get to on foot or by bicycle.

    In contrast, the tube prices in London then were very high twenty years ago. Now they are absolutely scandalous.

    That alone made / would make a massive difference to my weekly outgoings.

    Looking more into this report, it seems it's aimed at Executive expats, whose accomodation costs are covered by their companies anyway, hence the exclusion of accommodation from the survey.

    A different world to the expenses of the average TEFLer.

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    Re: The world's most expensive cities:

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrille
    I've lived in both those places, and don't agree.
    OK Oxford is pricey, but I could just afford the rent for fairly central oxford, and therefore I could get to anywhere I needed to get to on foot or by bicycle.

    In contrast, the tube prices in London then were very high twenty years ago. Now they are absolutely scandalous.

    That alone made / would make a massive difference to my weekly outgoings.

    Looking more into this report, it seems it's aimed at Executive expats, whose accomodation costs are covered by their companies anyway, hence the exclusion of accommodation from the survey.

    A different world to the expenses of the average TEFLer.
    I lived in Headington and was too lazy to cycle into town so fares probably worked out the same for me.

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    Re: The world's most expensive cities:

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrille
    No accomodation costs factored in, then? The largest expense of all? Hmm...
    of course accommodation is factored in, but not for afghans living in a tent... and not for your average tourists either...

    Worldwide Cost of Living, the bi-annual Economist Intelligence Unit survey, compares prices and products in over 130 cities around the world. Its purpose is to provide companies with an unbiased and independent guide from which allowances can be calculated for executives and their families being sent overseas. The Economist Intelligence Unit can calculate indices based on any one of the cities. The data quoted here used New York as a base index of 100 for comparisons.

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    Re: The world's most expensive cities:

    When it comes down to the basics, we need somewhere to live, ways of getting about and a pint after we've negotiated those two obstacles.

    And the UK is bad news. We moan about London prices but I can easily pay 3 pounds 50 for a pint in Manchester. House prices are horrendously high (although that's good newsme) and the fares for public transport are extremely prohibitive.

    On the plus side though, we don't have tuk-tuk drivers.

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    Re: The world's most expensive cities:

    can't believe Edinburgh is not there.... or do Scottish cities not count???? just as expensive as london on most counts i reckon and certainly more expensive than Manchester.....
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    ok ok... i'm a numpty... just read that it was only these 132 cities that were survied... sorry
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    Re: The world's most expensive cities:

    11 (13) Seoul South Korea 115
    Seoul can be very reasonable.

    It depends in which part of Seoul you live in and how you want to live.

    I live alone in a $450 a month place in Gangnam, one of the most exclusive parts of the city, and food is still cheap, buses are cheap, the subway is cheap, food (except western) is cheap, etc.

    [When my family comes I will need to move and will pay $750-1,000 a month].

    To live well here can be expensive however.

    Mostly due to housing and education costs...

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