Thread: Breaking the law. Is it ok?

Ken, you're missing the point and just copying from Wikipedia proves nothing. I assume you've read what you copied onto this thread because no where does it talk about killing Jews?

You said there was a law to kill Jewish Babies

I said no, there was a series of laws and none that specifically made it a legal duty to kill Jews

Okay then place them in ghettoes mate knowing they were going to be killed....!

The final solution did not even start until the second world war was well underway. Himmler signed the order I think in 1943 and nowhere was there in law a duty for civilians to kills Jews or Jewish babies.

Please read some history before you debate Ken, please.

^ Actually this one means they can actually kill:

Under the Iranian penal code, girls as young as nine and boys as young as 15 can be hanged.

Cool huh...but obviously there'd never be a crazy law saying you have to shag a kid....just hang them which is MUCH more 'nicer' ain't it?

Again semantics people.

If it WAS LAW to kill/maim/be prejuidice.....would you follow it?

Yes




or



No



So easy...so so easy as obviously you CAN'T cherry pick laws can you?

So please just answer the question?
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Originally Posted by mrsquirrel

You are also discussing past events/laws which are now illegal.

Are they? For now? Everywhere? I did quote one that happened in 2005 mate!

When those laws were enforced and you were in that situation do you think you would have the same mindset you have now?

I'll tell you what mate....you answer mine....and then I'll answer yours?

Cool with you?
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Jesus when people can't answer a really simple question....and have to argue the toss about it...well you kind of already know the answer right?

LoL! Too easy!

Ken, I pointed out that there is no SECULAR law as you describe, I was very careful to use the word SECULAR.

If it WAS LAW to kill/maim/be prejuidice.....would you follow it?

In any case the law is not the punishment so it's not the law to kill people in this case.

The law states that if you break the law then you get that punishment, the punishments ( in an ISLAMIC Law) in this case might be death.

^ So an acceptable law? If speeding had the death penalty you'd be cool with dying? As like you say...the law is not the punishment? Working in a position other than your WP covers you to....death by stoning....you diggety down down down with that LAW?

You'd happily watch your kid hung if he was gay and got caught? Or are you saying while you agree with the LAW you don't always have to AGREE with the PUNISHMENT?

Secular...whatever...LAW is the LAW no? You never mentioned this initially mate when you said you can't cherry pick them??? Why not?



So you're a Nazi and one of the Jews in your 'charge' don't wear his Star or whatever (or breaks one of the other myriad of laws that have been imposed)....you have to kill him....coolio?

Discriminating against other races is LAW in some places...cool with that?

So you're a Nazi and one of the Jews in your 'charge' don't wear his Star or whatever (or breaks one of the other myriad of laws that have been imposed)....you have to kill him....coolio?

What do you mean Ken?

A member of the Nazi party.
A member of the Wehrmacht
A member of the SS
A member of the SS Death's Head division
A member of the Gestapo

Which one Ken?

The problem with your little hypathetic (hypothetical + pathetic for you spelling pedants) scenario is that it just did not happen in the way you erroneously think it did.

Giving examples of laws that don't exist (outside of Sheria law) proves nothing.

I think most people obey the law to the best of their ability in the majority of cases.

If people break a law and if it is premiditated, then they can't complain about any subsequent sanctions that may be applicable.

GH knew the law, he chose to ignore it (after knowing what the consequences were)

LAW is the LAW

Each country has its own laws which are different. I respect the law in whichever country I am in.

Originally Posted by haltest

Some people think they can cherry pick which laws need following and which don't.

Unless the punishment outweighs...isn't reasonable....to the crime?

Or unless it's secular.

Or unless I couldn't imagine it or it's childish.

Better?
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Can answer for all of them please mate.

Thanks!

Really mate it's a simple question and scenario I'm giving you...putting all this other stuff while 'clever' isn't really answering the question!

So about your kid being gay and being hung...cool?


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So you speed (as you admitted) you get caught....you're to be hung...cool with that?

I like the hypopathetical thing mate....keep the insults rolling as they really do help your argument mate
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Originally Posted by haltest

What do you mean Ken?

A member of the Nazi party.
A member of the Wehrmacht
A member of the SS
A member of the SS Death's Head division
A member of the Gestapo

Which one Ken?

Wow we're almost getting somewhere.

Okay for all of them please! Thanks (again) in advance!

Will you be asking me what colour hair they should have next? If they're married? If they're left handed?

What's the saying...semantics is the last resort of someone that refuses to answer?

Giving examples of laws that don't exist (outside of Sheria law) proves nothing.

Well if you were in Iran they'd probably 'prove' a fair bit mate Kind of like me saying 'giving examples of laws that don't exist outside where I want them to ('cos it fucks my argument up)....proves nothing'
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Originally Posted by haltest

Each country has its own laws which are different. I respect the law in whichever country I am in.

But you don't mate...you've already admitted to breaking the speeding law...how is that 'showing respect'??? Really???

What you're basically saying is that Mickey Mouse laws with no real 'punishment' aren't worth respecting? Or that if you were caught you could pay an illegal bribe (breaking yet another law) to get off....right?
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Also if it was against the LAW to kill JEWS...how many Nazi were 'punished' for doing so AT THE TIME? I mean just 'cos it's not legal, by it not being illegal it is in fact kind of legal if you get what I mean?
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Lets see blacks not being allowed to hang with whites on buses etc. That wasn't too long ago....that was a proper LAW in quite a few countries I think....damn those blacks for wanting to cherry pick huh? No RESPECT for the law!!!

Ken you've veering all over the place and I'm confused what your central tenet is.

Let's go back to what I said

Some people think they can cherry pick which laws need following and which don't.

Which means in context that you should follow all the laws in a country not only the one's that you agree with.

If you choose to break a law then you get punished and the punishment is normally proportionate to the crime. If you knowingly break a law then you can't complain if there are negative consequences to your actions when you with premiditation knew what the law was and yet you still chose to break it.

So you speed (as you admitted) you get caught....you're to be hung...cool with that?

I like the hypopathetical thing mate....keep the insults rolling as they really do help your argument mate

I have speeded in the past Ken does not mean that I speed now old chap. As I drive in Bangkok, there is not much chance to break the speed limit.

If there was the death penalty for speeding then I would be damn sure not to speed ever when I was driving.

A member of the Nazi party.
A member of the Wehrmacht
A member of the SS
A member of the SS Death's Head division
A member of the Gestapo

Which one Ken?


Wow we're almost getting somewhere.

Okay for all of them please! Thanks (again) in advance!

Will you be asking me what colour hair they should have next? If they're married? If they're left handed?

What's the saying...semantics is the last resort of someone that refuses to answer?

Not all were equally culpable in killing the Jews, in fact there was only one group charged with carrying out the task. There was never "a law" in Germany compelling people to kill Jews or Jewish babies as your clearly stated earlier.

So again please just answer if you'd be cool with killing them if they broke a law that meant you had to kill them....very simple mate.

Gay son....gets caught...hung...cool?

Black bloke...not allowed to sit with whites...cool?

Come on mate you're just going round in circles really!
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If you choose to break a law then you get punished and the punishment is normally proportionate to the crime.

Goalposts are ever moving with you mate.....proportionate to who mate?

Originally Posted by haltest

I'm confused

Nah, you're just stalling.

The law is an ass and you know it. That's why you, me and many other otherwise decent people have broken it.

Ken none of your examples are real laws so your question can't be answered.

If you break a law, don't complain if you are punished for it*

* regional variations as to what constitutes a crime and its applicable punishment may apply.

Smoking dope is illegal almost everywhere ( apart from Holland or apart from some medical use ins some countries) and you can't defend it in this case.