ahh...the online dictionaries agree with it thaaats why you gave no example.
Dictionary and Thesaurus - Merriam-Webster Online
see what you get
as mentioned in dictionaries and sources online, its when youre not travelling but residing in a place. buying a washing machine is no being a tourist.
man, what an absolute waste of time this thread an ajarn classic!
haltest, you are clearly believeing yourself here eh?
with so many ways to show that thai people are afraid of foreigners, actual behaviors....harping on just the word itself is a bit funny. i mean, pointing at you in a store- right in your face- and saying "FARANG!" is quite offensive.
but using it as an easy way to talk about people who arent from here? jesus christ youre anal.
and yes, it bothers me too. its a form of 'nigger'. "you are DIFFERENT. you are not ONE OF US. i care not to ask anything more about you, where youre from, etc. but i do know that youre different--this is the thing about you that i will point out."
its small minded and villager-ish. its not the way people in a global society act towards each other. but blimey mate, youre going to have to accept their shortcommings- and just using the word foreigner- is hardly one of thais major shortcommings.
and the negative connotation to expat? ive never heard of that. and although im young, ive met a lot of folk, and ive never once heard expat used in a bad way. tourist, backpacker, and sexpat however...
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Frankly speaking has turned out to be a Thai. I dont know if that negates his comments or not. I think one reason he and his family live so frugally is support from family. Something we dont have and something that makes a hell of a difference how you live here. Along with expenses for food and the such.
Too long in Exile, too long not singing my song.
Too long like a rolling stone, Too long in exile
Too long in Exile, baby you just arent my friend.
Too long in Exile my friend, Baby you can never go home again.
As a "farang," incidents like the above occur on a daily basis here in the glorious Land O' Thais.
Then there's "expat trap" as I mentioned that has made the rounds.
Tourist 1: Ready for the club?
Tourist 2: Yea.
Tourist 1: Where's that new friend of yours, isn't he coming?
Tourist 2: Naw, he's a fukin expat man. Says he's tired...worked all day.
Tourist 1: Really? Phhh! Expats...they move to paradise and turn it into a rat race.
Tourist 2: No shit!
You can twist any word into a negative connotation. Just say the word "expat" five times while rolling your eyes!
And when it is done, at least it is with jocularity.,....someone starts pointing at ethnicities in the US, and you'd better hit the deck!
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Thais are hardly the best judges of how Farangs are made to feel, are they?
You're hardly the best judge of what an Asian is subjected to.
Have a read of this:
BBC NEWS | UK | England | Beds/Bucks/Herts | Man charged with newsagent murder
Sort of puts 'being pointed at' into context, I think.
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yeah. i tend to forget that crap about how dang ignorant our folk back home can be. thais do it with a smile. how smug of them!!
why not just a regular beating and mugging like they do in the states?
Just giving some examples - these stories could be from just about anywhere. I'm sure I could put up a dozen from the states - let's not go down that route, eh?
Have a look at this one:
BBC NEWS | UK | Northern Ireland | Romanians flee homes after attack
I wonder if whole families have had to abandon their homes in Thailand because of racist attacks?Ms Lo said attacks on Romanian homes - which included bricks being thrown through windows - had been increasing in frequency in recent months.
"They are really very frightened," she said. "The women, when they were talking to me yesterday, they were really upset, tears in their eyes and said, 'You know we love it here, we'd like to live here, but we're too scared.'
I suspect not.
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My guess would be that racism in the UK is just as pervasive as in Thailand, but with far uglier outcomes. That is, the silly pointing and shouting exists in the UK as it does in Thailand, but the beatings/rapes/murders that occur (rarely) in the States are present also. Is this accurate?
I'll agree that at least racism in Thailand manifests itself in mostly harmless ways.
I didn't turn out to be Thai, I have always been Thai.
Aging One, My Parents are US citizens living in the US. So I don't know what the heck you are talking about. My wife and I help support ourselves. What 40+ year old gets support from his her parents? So don't assume things.
I am a US citizen also, I just happen to be of Thai Ethnicity. I do love this country but it isn't because I am just Thai. I too face many of the problems that other foreign nationals do, I just don't stand out like a sore thumb. However, I don't speak Thai like a Thai and get teased quite often about it. I speak better than most foreign nationals though. I get hassles at immigration and have other problems like every other westerner here.
The argument that someone never heard or saw anyone point at an asian person and laugh, stare, etc. Is pretty stupid. How often does anyone notice what is happening to others. It has happened to me in the states as well as other western countries that I have visited, not as much in large cities though because no one looks the same. I have had kids point at me and say "Hey mom look asian/chink, etc". Western countries delude themselves to think that racism is lesser in their countries. It isn't. The only difference is that in the West we at least pretend to be non-racist.
I agree that the word "farrang" is rude, but Thais don't know it. They use it similar to the word Westerner. No different than western countries classifying Asians. If your colleagues use such words, I might calmly tell them that you don't like it, but if some stupid bus driver calls you fallang instead of Khun, forget about it.
I don't use online dictionaries. I use text dictionaries. According to Webster's New World
1 to drive (a person) from his or her native land; exile
2 to withdraw (oneself) from one's native land or from allegiance to it
that has become an expatriate; expatriated
an expatriated person
I can dig up others as you wish. However, I will allow that a more modern perspective may change the meaning but look at its derivation. If those that live in foreign countries for 6 months want to classify themselves as expats they are entitled to but that is not what the word was meant. I will also defend that Ethnic minorities in western countries don't all want to reside there permanently. Some are there for a short time also, but there is no distinction they are all labeled as immigrants. Would you call a British citizen that moved to Australia and became a citizen an immigrant? I don't think so.
I think this thread has gone so far off course, but it is interesting. I feel bad for the OP, who probably won't ever post here again.
The OP could look on the bright side at how many more "looks" this thread has gotten
It's incredibly difficult to be an immigrant in Thailand. I could have applied for P.R. a few years ago but it's so intrusive to supply all the documents, too time consuming, and too expensive AND the benefits of having PR are shite And you lose it if you go out of the country without having the right stamps in your passport! (And that's not even enough to be an immigrant, try getting citizenship and you really will find that nigh on impossible unless you are a western female married to a Thai man)
Thailand needs to change its attitude, it needs to get in step with the real world and grant rights to people who stay here and not be so xenophobic. All this protectionist crap stops people putting down roots here, especially if they have kids. Why should people invest money here when you can't own anything in your own name.
Tourists are already way down this year and in general Thailand is getting a bad press at the moment due to a whole host of factors.
The whole attitude of us V them is encapsulated in the way Thais refer to non-Thais in their day to day interactions and while is does not upset some who choose to ignore it, it's a sign of ignorance, lack of education, and lack of respect.
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