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    What's up with the low pay these days?

    Browsing through Aj jobs all I see is 30K per month.
    Also agencies seem to be controlling the marketplace.
    I reckon agencies must be pocketing 30K per month for each placement.
    How do you break this system?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AGareth2 View Post
    How do you break this system?
    Get out of the market. Too many foreign teachers are driving down our value. On a side note, please shoot to kill all teacher volunteers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AGareth2 View Post
    I will be retiring
    Please don't resurrect as a volunteer...

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    It's fucking ridiculous....(I know I'm swearing...sorry)....

    There is an ad at the moment for a language centre for B240 an hour....The same company gave me B280 an hour, 8 years ago when I was fresh off the boat.....

    I understand Ajarn just places the ads but this is the worst I have ever seen it. The agencies are dominating the teaching industry now and are driving down the salaries for your average chalkie.

    And one more thing while I'm on my soapbox.....

    I understand that you can't name and shame but it drives me insane, seeing a company regularly advertise here and they are the most unscrupulous, cheating, lying, bastards on this green earth...Who very recently cheated me and left me in a load of shit regarding my visa.....

    I never usually post with such venom and profanities but these people have served me a massive injustice and will get away with it scott- free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robin Hood View Post
    I understand that you can't name and shame but it drives me insane, seeing a company regularly advertise here and they are the most unscrupulous, cheating, lying, bastards on this green earth...Who very recently cheated me and left me in a load of shit regarding my visa.....
    This is one of the problems having a forum, linked (ownership wise) with the advertisers. they will always back the advertisers as they pay the wages and we just contribute FA.
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    This week should have been a joyous occasion for me, on Tuesday I was married to the sweet Mrs Hood....After the Ampur, instead of heading for the marital bed, I was on a bus to Laos, directly because of one of the advirtisers here and their practices....I got back very late last night.

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    I just mentioned this in another thread. After spending roughly USD 30,000 for my education, I'm going to go work for USD 9,000 per year (based on THB 30,000 per month).

    I don't know what the solution is. Perhaps if the MoE were to require Bachelor degrees in Education for teachers, that would cut down on the number of teachers qualified to work, thus making qualified teachers more in demand. Of course, that change would obviously not be popular with the majority of current teachers, so maybe those who've taught for 5+ years can be grandfathered in.

    Probably not much point in debating this though since the MoE is going to do what the MoE wants...regardless of how it effects expat teachers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robin Hood View Post
    seeing a company regularly advertise here and they are the most unscrupulous, cheating, lying, bastards on this green earth...Who very recently cheated me and left me in a load of shit regarding my visa.....
    did you point this out to admin...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollywood View Post
    I don't know what the solution is.
    Don't take the job. Obviously it's enough or you wouldn't have taken it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panhunger View Post
    did you point this out to admin...
    Really, what's the point?

    I have no proof apart from they know and I know.

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    Oh...don't take the job...the answer was so simple. Why didn't I think of that? You hear that everyone? If you don't like the amount of money offered to you, then don't take the job. If you're currently working and don't like your pay rate, then quit. I guess we no longer need threads about this since you've solved the issue.

    Newsflash Einstein...LOTS of people take jobs even if they're unhappy with the pay. It has to do with being financially responsible to yourself and your family. Just because someone takes a job for a certain pay rate, doesn't mean that rate of pay is fair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollywood View Post
    Newsflash Einstein...LOTS of people take jobs even if they're unhappy with the pay. It has to do with being financially responsible to yourself and your family. Just because someone takes a job for a certain pay rate, doesn't mean that rate of pay is fair.
    I just finished designing a speaking assessment (I can't say for whom - my boss told me it is strictly confidential ). One of the questions was the following:

    "What is your opinion about taking a job with a low salary that has a lot of holiday time? What are the advantages and disadvantages? What do you think?"

    I think it will be interesting to see how the learners respond....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollywood View Post
    LOTS of people take jobs even if they're unhappy with the pay.
    Seconded. I'm in the sticks anyway. When I started my pay was very low, people thought I was mad, but there were many, many other factors in play at the time.
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    Don't mind panny...he's handicapped...

    The main source of frustration over salaries is that, simply put, there is nothing we as teachers can do about it...couple that with a seeming inability to make sense of how Asians can make us work for less and less money each year and our only recourse is a headshake.

    But they must collectively be laughing their asses off at how the cost of living continues to rise...wages continue to decline...and yet here we are still lining up for gate duty...

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    It's mind boggling indeed, Thaitanium. While Thailand is where I want to settle down for the rest of my life, I find myself having to come up with a contingency plan just in case I have to leave the country in 3 years for lack of being able to support my family. As you said though, as soon as I leave, there will be 10 others waiting to take my place, along with lesser pay.

    The current situation seems to be fine for those who are collecting retirement and/or social security checks every month to supplement their income, and for those who are just doing a teaching holiday for a year. Or if people in those groups still have a problem with the rate of pay, at least it doesn't effect them as significantly as it does those who are in it for a career.

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