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    OK. We have a Speech (or whatever) competition for Thai school kids.
    All of them have had access to same training or opportunity to access extra training.

    It's a level playing field.

    Europe has a much higher level of English proficiency than Thailand.
    Sticking German, European/Thai kids in "unlevels" the playing field.

    Same goes for your American/Thai kids.

    And from personal experience ... Cambodians leave Thais for dead as far as English is concerned. And the Thais know it. (But won't admit it)

    Singapore? English is an official language.

    SO here you are. You see a competition. "Wow!" you think. "My American/Thai kids will slam dunk this!" "What a boost to my ego! ... Yeah, yeah, I know that's not very Christian like ... but I'm a hypocrite ... so fuck it!"

    But alas! Your evil plan was thwarted! Indignation sets in. You stew and stew over it in anguish. Then you come here and pour your heart out over it.

    Did I miss anything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonglum67 View Post
    I disagree with the standard as it doesn't apply to Thais. My niece and nephew spent 6 years at an international school in KL, but they not only represent their schools in competitions, but their schools can't get enough because they win. It's wrong that they should be able to do it because they are pure Thai and my friend's daughter can't because she's Cambodian-Thai.
    Well,I understand your point...in a way. But consider if we had a Chinese language competition at a school in Boston, for example, and Chinese-American kids or kids who lived in Chinese for extended periods of time entered...pretty much as ringers...and took the top awards. People would think it is unfair.

    And I think you're missing the point. Most "competitions" in Thailand aren't really about whatever the competition is "really" supposed to be about. It's probably to motivate students, build bonds, make sunuk, or even to provide an opportunity for the teachers to dress up in the "general costumes". You know those, right? The ones that look legit...but have all sorts of ribbons awards and decorations that...aren't real either.


    Quote Originally Posted by moonglum67 View Post
    I do, but I don't want my kids to just give up because they accept that they will never be good enough....
    It's not about them not being good enough. You chose to raise them in a third world shithole. That's your choice. Use the experiences there as a means to show them all the things that are WRONG with some places...

    [I lived in Thailand with my kids too. We laughed about some of the fucked up things, people, and ideas. And we do the same in Canada...]

    I don't know which, but my colleague told me the Prime Minister has a chat link that you can speak to her directly, so maybe I'll try finding that.
    Ok, who are your really?

    No one can be this thick...


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    Quote Originally Posted by keekwai View Post
    OK. We have a Speech (or whatever) competition for Thai school kids.
    All of them have had access to same training or opportunity to access extra training.

    It's a level playing field.

    Europe has a much higher level of English proficiency than Thailand.
    Sticking German, European/Thai kids in "unlevels" the playing field.

    Same goes for your American/Thai kids.

    And from personal experience ... Cambodians leave Thais for dead as far as English is concerned. And the Thais know it. (But won't admit it)

    Singapore? English is an official language.
    Not if those European-Thai kids never set foot in their European country and the only school they have ever known is the Thai school that won't let them represent it......still a level playing field. And the same goes for my Thai American kids as they haven't been in the US (Guam) since they were 2 and 3 and neither has ever gone to a school other than this same Thai school--the only advantage is me and yet Thai English teachers kids and those who get outside tutoring from native speakers don't have a comparable advantage? Perhaps the Cambodian case is legit by your reasoning, but the Singaporean has never seen Singapore either because Singapore has that silly law--I used to live there and my first wife was from there--that prevents Singaporean's from bringing their wives into the country unless they have some skill or education level to offer Singapore. I've known many Singaporeans with Thai, Indonesian, and Malaysian wives that they couldn't bring into the country because of it--my favorite taxi drive in fact had a Malay wife in JB across the Causeway with their kids.
    A man of words and not of deeds
    Is like a garden full of weeds,
    And when the weeds begin to grow
    It's like a garden full of snow,
    And when the snow begins to fall
    It's like a bird upon the wall,
    And when the bird away does fly
    It's like an eagle in the sky,

    And when the sky begins to roar
    It's like a lion at the door,
    And when the door begins to crack
    It's like a stick across your back,
    And when your back begins to smart
    It's like a penknife in your heart,
    And when your heart begins to bleed
    You're dead, and dead, and dead -- indeed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by moonglum67 View Post
    Not if those European-Thai kids never set foot in their European country
    So the German father just speaks German to everyone in Thailand? Wife and kids included? I think not. It's more than likely the father speaks English. At least a German guy I knew in Korat always spoke English to his wife and kids.

    ---Update---

    Quote Originally Posted by moonglum67 View Post
    the same goes for my Thai American kids
    Do you speak English with them all the time?

    Like I said. Unfair. Fuck Christianity! It's unsporting! Don't tell me that you did not ... even for a second think "My kids could do really well in this competition" (Due to their increased exposure to English at home ... something the "normal" Thai kids don't have.)

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    this has got to be a troll, nobody can be this obtuse. what an irredeemable prick. well as linda blair said so succinctly, 'let j**** f*** y**!'


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    Quote Originally Posted by IsaanAlex View Post
    Well,I understand your point...in a way. But consider if we had a Chinese language competition at a school in Boston, for example, and Chinese-American kids or kids who lived in Chinese for extended periods of time entered...pretty much as ringers...and took the top awards. People would think it is unfair.

    And I think you're missing the point. Most "competitions" in Thailand aren't really about whatever the competition is "really" supposed to be about. It's probably to motivate students, build bonds, make sunuk, or even to provide an opportunity for the teachers to dress up in the "general costumes". You know those, right? The ones that look legit...but have all sorts of ribbons awards and decorations that...aren't real either.
    That is a valid point, in fact our school is hosting one this weekend, but I'll be in Bangkok for the stupid Culture Course--supposedly the last hurdle to my getting a teaching license since I have a MEd. However, I don't even look at it from the teacher's perspective as I generally don't get into the pomp and circumstance--hated it in the military and want nothing to do with after--I look at it from the student's perspective and to them it's a big deal. Many of my students this year were very disappointed when they came back from the Scrabble or Crossword competition and didn't do well at all because the Thai teachers tried to prepare them for it 1 week before the competition without asking for our help (the native English teachers), though we were getting students ready for spelling and reading competitions already.


    Quote Originally Posted by keekwai View Post
    So the German father just speaks German to everyone in Thailand? Wife and kids included? I think not. It's more than likely the father speaks English. At least a German guy I knew in Korat always spoke English to his wife and kids.
    Actually in the case of the German, no she and he spoke German. He could barely speak English when I met him and he and his wife had lived in Germany for a while before their kids were born and she learned German. She can speak some Engish, but she isn't any better than he--his son, my student is far better than either of them and actually interprets much of the time for he and I--our wives simply speak Thai. I have a Norwegian friend in the same situation--in fact his wife really can't speak English at all, but she is quite good in Norwegian as is their daughter. No, not all farangs speak English....

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonglum67 View Post
    That is a valid point...
    Thank you.

    Quote Originally Posted by moonglum67 View Post
    --I look at it from the student's perspective and to them it's a big deal. Many of my students this year were very disappointed when they came back from the Scrabble or Crossword competition and didn't do well at all...
    Give them some stinky fish dish, play some mor lam music, and slip on a banana peel or something and they'll forget all about it.

    [Trust me you probably care about it waaaaay more than they do]

    And you do know you're in Thailand right?

    I mean, I like to bitch and moan as much as the next guy but it's not like you're going to change anything. And let's say you could magically change Thailand into some first-world nation; then it wouldn't be Thailand anymore...and everyone would have to find the "next Thailand".

    Chillax man.


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    Quote Originally Posted by IsaanAlex View Post
    I mean, I like to bitch and moan as much as the next guy but it's not like you're going to change anything. And let's say you could magically change Thailand into some first-world nation; then it wouldn't be Thailand anymore...and everyone would have to find the "next Thailand".

    Chillax man.
    Good point....maybe I'm just looking for Utopia after all and it simply doesn't exist. Like Jimmy Buffet said, "He went to Paris looking for answers to questions that bothered him so....."

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonglum67 View Post
    And let's say you could magically change Thailand into some first-world nation
    To be happy in Thailand a farang has to accept Thailand for what it is...this is best done away from Bangkok where one can commisserate with other farangs about TIT...when a farang is on his own...surrounded by Thai people who know no other way...then there is no other way...because there is nobody to comfort the farang in his grief over TIT...nirvana is then within reach

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwiling View Post
    To be happy in Thailand a farang has to accept Thailand for what it is...this is best done away from Bangkok where one can commisserate with other farangs about TIT...when a farang is on his own...surrounded by Thai people who know no other way...then there is no other way...because there is nobody to comfort the farang in his grief over TIT...nirvana is then within reach
    Wise words. Words that one of the posters on this thread should maybe take on board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goo_stewart View Post
    Wise words.
    Thank you sir...may your team win on the weekend

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    So ... back to topic now? Still ... no ones mentioned horizontal vaginas. I think it needs more exploring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keekwai View Post
    no ones mentioned horizontal vaginas
    I am sure some people still believe that

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    This one is not a myth: All Asians look the same way...they look with their eyes, you racist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonglum67 View Post
    Good point....maybe I'm just looking for Utopia after all and it simply doesn't exist.
    Thailand is definitely not the place to be looking for this I think.

    I'd suggest you enjoy Thailand for a few years and then get yours kids out of there...before they "become" Thai.


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