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    When did telling someone they are fat & unhealthy (in a polite way) become 'bullying'

    BBC News - Wisconsin WBKT-TV host 'bully message' goes viral
    I am a just annoyed by this arrogant, ignorant woman. Someone writes to her and tells her that she is a fat slob and she should get in shape because she is a role model on TV and she turns it into a crusade against bullying.

    Now, I ain't advocating all tv celebrities should be thin and rakish, but, really, a fat chick turning a comment on her obesity into a crusade against bullies? Give me a break, she is fat, she could do with a few less fish suppers and some bloke told her so. She didn't like that and went on the attack calling it 'bullying' and likening it to racism. Fucking fat bitch should go on a diet or get off tv. Simple. I strongly believe that this vein of thinking in some countries where the fat defend their right to be fat is just terrible. There are very sound (and proven) health reasons to be in shape, we shouldn't be telling people (or sending the subtle message) that it is ok to be fat. Fat is the biggest killer in the world.

    To the fat cow - stop trying to promote fatness. It is just wrong.

    Oh, and you ain't fat because you have a slow digestive system. You are fat because you drive everywhere, eat badly and take no exercise.

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    It happens in countries where people get enough to eat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goo_stewart View Post
    I strongly believe that this vein of thinking in some countries where smokers defend their right to smoke is just terrible. There are very sound (and proven) health reasons not to smoke, we shouldn't be telling people (or sending the subtle message) that it is ok to smoke. Smoking is the biggest killer in the world.

    Quote Originally Posted by goo_stewart View Post
    I strongly believe that this vein of thinking in some countries where the ugly defend their right to life is just terrible. There are very sound (and proven) cosmetic reasons to be beautifully made up, we shouldn't be telling people (or sending the subtle message) that it is ok to be ugly. Ugliness is the biggest cause of impotence in the world.

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    I strongly believe that this vein of thinking in some countries where the bullied defend their right to be left alone is just terrible. There are very sound (and proven) social reasons to bully, we shouldn't be telling people (or sending the subtle message) that it is ok to be live unharrassed. A bully-free existence is the biggest annoyance in the world.
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    ...majestically enthroned amid the vulgar herd...

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    I was gonna post this video, but then realized there are more important issues like Chinese guy getting steamrolled with his brains splattered on pavement and Chinese government hiding the "incident" by censoring media so the story is practically impossible to find. I was going to post the link to that too, but then realized the poor guy would have probably been made fun off considering we are just a bunch of keyboard warriors on anonymous internet forum with no life. So I didn't post a link to that too.

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    ^^tis the reason why health services cost so much nowadays...All I am saying is that this wasn't bullying and this fat slob shouldn't turn (correct) criticism of her obesity into some bullying crusade. It ain't, the bloke just sent her an e-mail pointing out that she had been obese for a long period of time and that it wasn't the best role-model. Fat cow SHOULD lose weight, she should not be a burden on society and she shouldn't think it is ok to be fat. Fatness is entirely a self -inflicted wound.

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    I really didn't get it either. She should really take her health into consideration and exercise.

    ---Update---

    It seems like she is saying it is ok to be fat

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    Quote Originally Posted by goo_stewart View Post
    ...All I am saying is that this wasn't bullying and this negro slob shouldn't turn (correct) criticism of her blackness into some bullying crusade. It ain't, the bloke just sent her an e-mail pointing out that she had been black for a long period of time and that she wasn't the best role-model for young whites. The negress SHOULD use skin whiteners, she should not be a carbuncle on society's face and she shouldn't think it is ok to be black. Blackness is entirely a self -inflicted wound.

    Quote Originally Posted by goo_stewart View Post
    All I am saying is that this wasn't bullying and this lesbian shouldn't turn (correct) criticism of her queerness into some bullying crusade. It ain't, the bloke just sent her an e-mail pointing out that she had been deviant for a long period of time and that it wasn't the best role-model for young straights. The dyke SHOULD lose weight, she should not be a burden on society and she shouldn't think it is ok to be rug-munching. Dykery is entirely a self -inflicted wound.

    Quote Originally Posted by goo_stewart View Post
    All I am saying is that this wasn't bullying and this wretch shouldn't turn (correct) criticism of her poverty into some bullying crusade. It ain't, the bloke just sent her an e-mail pointing out that she had been poor for a long period of time and that she wasn't the best role-model for young Republicans. The welfare queen SHOULD get a job, she should not be a burden on society and she shouldn't think it is ok to be destitute. Unemployment is entirely a self -inflicted wound.
    ...etc...

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    ^no point in trying to turn this into a debate on those issues - fatness IS self-inflicted, fatness IS a drain on society and fatness is bad for your health. I strongly believe that we should never give the impression that obesity is ok and it is a right to be as fat as you like. fatness has caused massive issues with the health services in many countries, it has nothing to do with all the issues you are bringing up.

    Obesity is a self-inflicted wound and it is a burden on others. It is not ok to be fat and I defend anyone's right to tell any fat person that they are...well...fat. It really is that simple. Being a dyke is just being a dyke, no one has any right to tell a dyke how they should live. Poverty is not a choice (ok, for some it is), so no, it is not ok to tell someone not to be poor.

    Fatness is a choice - a choice in lifestyle and it is the burden of that choice that annoys me. The other things you mention are not a burden on me because it is my duty to support any people who are victimized through issues they have not chosen. You don't choose to be black (or any other mionority), you just are, and you don't choose to be a dyke. We all have a duty to defend minorities. Fat fuckers have a choice. Walk a little, eat less pizza and ffs stop being a burden on me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by goo_stewart View Post
    Obesity is a self-inflicted wound
    ...if that's the case, leave fatties alone in their suffering: badgering, publicly humiliating, taunting, and physically abusing are all examples of bullying behavior...bully, heal thyself...

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    As part of my sister's medical training she had to spend a time on whichever type of ward it is that gives people gastric bypass surgery... she said it was truely sickening, and not just the asthetics of it. The 'success' rate is fairly high, in as much as the surgery happened, few people suffered adverse reactions to it and a few months later most people had lost a considerable amount of weight.

    The problem was that the success of it was measured a few months down the line, and not a bit longer, where you would start to see major medical problems caused precisely because of the fact that the smaller stomache didn't quench the patient's hunger/phsychological need to eat, just made it more difficult. Turned out that many of these success stories had to be admited again, under much more dangerous circumstances, to fix what is, in effect, a split stomach.

    The other worrying part of it is, in a society where we are on the very brink of having the NHS privitised, these things ARE a massive drain. So is smoking of course, but at least the outrageous tax of tobacco goes in some way to fit the bill. How much tax is there on cheetos??

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    ...if that's the case, leave fatties alone in their suffering: badgering, publicly humiliating, taunting, and physically abusing are all examples of bullying behavior...bully, heal thyself...
    I won't leave them to suffer purely for the reason that their suffering is my penalty to pay. Fat fuckers cost you and I a great deal. They need to be told that it is not ok to be fat. Their fatness costs me money.

    As YMNSTT points out, at least with smoking and drinking their is all kinds of direct taxation going on to pay for the habit. Eating too many pies does not cause any more taxation than someone who eats a moderate amount of pies, yet the medical bills are far, far more.

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    ^^...confusing morbid obesity with simply being overweight, I'm afraid, but that's beside the point: bullying people whose physical/personal qualities you don't like is an attempt to put yourself above those whom you disapprove of...no matter if the venue is a schoolyard, a bar, a private home, or an email...apparently, your only personal failing is that you know what's best for others, using public scorn and contempt to encourage behavioral change...that's bullying...
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    ...confusing morbid obesity with simply being overweight, I'm afraid, but that's beside the point: bullying people whose physical/personal qualities you don't like is an attempt to put yourself above those whom you disapprove of...no matter if the venue is a schoolyard, a bar, a private home, or an email...apparently, your only personal failing is that you know what's best for others, using public scorn and contempt to encourage behavioral change...that's bullying...
    I ain't confusing obesity with overweight, that fat cow admitted that she was obese - by medical standards. That is the problem. No one is bullying her, they are telling her that it is not ok to be obese. There is no confusion here, it is not ok to be obese. It really is that simple. Fat fuckers cost the tax payer an inordinate amount. It is not ok to be fat, I will tell any obese person that same thing, I am not bullying them, I am just telling them that it is not ok to spend my money on their obesity. Get some exercise and eat a few less pies. Obesity is an issue and the sooner the obese realise that, the better it will be. They are impacting on society through their non-payment of their nasty habits. It is not ok to be fat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goo_stewart View Post
    There is no confusion here, it is not ok to be obese. It really is that simple.
    Exactly. It appears that she is promoting this of to be fat thing by bashing this email.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goo_stewart View Post
    I am not bullying them, I am just telling them
    ...same thing, isn't it, when the message is delivered in a humiliating way: the obese are reminded many times every day that they exist outside society's norms: disapproving stares as they eat in restaurants, giggles when they try to buy clothing, advertising models, media, well-meaning friends and families, Walmart snapshots, etc...the problem is not the lack of notification...no need for even greater public humiliation and social ostracization as the overweight are constantly pushed to social fringes...what is needed is an attitude adjustment on the part of those who would correct the perceived failings of others through humiliation...that's bullying...

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