??Originally Posted by Bangkok Phil
I filtered for Bangkok and it's almost all agencies. And pretty much the same ones over and over every month.
If I'm doing something wrong let me know, but I'm looking for better job postings than what's available here.
I've been working for an agency for the past couple semesters. I found the job here on Ajarn. They haven't given me a work permit, so I'm forced to work illegally, haven't given me any other kind of benefit, and have been paying late and taking money out.
Trying to avoid getting myself in that type of situation again, but not finding much help in terms of available information.
If anyone can point me in the direction of another resource that's a bit more teacher-oriented rather than advertiser-oriented, please PM me.
Ah, well you've changed the criteria. When you first stated that 'most jobs on ajarn are for agencies' you never said that you wanted something specifically in Bangkok.
Well, I guess the bigger the agency, the more teachers they employ and the bigger the turnover. Contrary to what people think, the number of agencies who actually make a go of supplying teachers to schools is not that large. Plenty of agencies 'have a go at it' and don't last long. And they're certainly not going to spend any money on placing a job ad - which agencies have to do to place a job on ajarn.com
Cold calling on schools might be your best bet.
You can't blame ajarn.com for that and it sounds as if you are.
A bit more teacher oriented? If you can find a website that has more articles, blogs, help guides, info, etc on teaching in Thailand, then do me a favor and let me know if you would.
The worst job in Thailand must be the man who has to sit down with a blue marker pen and mark a number two on the two-baht coins to stop people thinking they are one-baht coins.
Apologies, but none of this seems very persuasive.
Really? There's no way? How do all of us manage to function in our daily lives if we're so completely unable to distinguish fact from fiction?
Seriously? Many of the maps, travel guides, and other materials you can buy at your local bookstore have copyrights from two or three years ago. That's grounds for using them with caution; it's not grounds for gathering them all together in a bonfire.
Well, you at least seem to be taking a more moderate position than does Hollow.
He seems to be suggesting that no one -- or no one but him -- has access to critical thinking skills. You at least concede that we all know that not everything we read can be trusted.
So what's the issue?
Outright naming and shaming has long been permitted for businesses that aren't schools. Here you are naming and shaming a tailor shop, for example:
http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/practic...tml#post933213 (Tailors?)
If it's about the ads, why not just say so?
If Ajarn is posting ads from disreputable employers who treat their teachers poorly, and then don't allow anyone to warn others about these bad employers, what am I supposed to think about Ajarn?
Being a little bit defensive Phil?
Bottom line is Phil just doesn't want to lose revenue or take the blame for what posters write. There is no shame in that.
But don't for a second pretend to be on the side of the cautious or those taken advantage of by disreputable schools, recruiters or the like.
He will take money from any school that pays. Look at the training ad page. He takes money from both CMU TEFL and UNITEFL. Which was a large controversy for a while up in CM. Lawsuits on both sides were filed. Over 100 students lost their fees for classes they paid for but the classes were cancelled. There were huge accusations on both sides and it didn't end amicably. Now CMU TEFL started up another program and Unitefl sold their business to someone else. Personally, I don't know why someone would allow either of them to advertise.
If we are to come and trust Ajarn.com and their advertisers, perhaps a little more scrutiny is in order.
Personally, I don't blame Phil at all. He is just the middle man taking his cut. But don't preach about ethics and unreliable statements from the little man, when your agenda is a paycheck.
I like the fact that the forums and the ajarn main page are separate.
As for the recruiting agencies. It does seem that there are a lot more recruiters these days but that is on all teaching forums.
It's not though Graham. It's about staying on the right side of Thai internet law.
Six months ago I knew nothing about Thai internet law. Now I and a few others know about it in detail, it scares me to death.
Thanks for pointing it out. It probably wouldn't make the forum now. But if anyone is going to bring a defamation case against us then they have to do it within six months anyway.
You can't argue with that really.
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Nail head hit IMHO.
Those that want to read whatever they can want all freedoms, but have to understand they can have freedom, but it must be within the law.
You're right on both counts there. Can't argue with that.
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Hang on a minute. I seem to be taking all the flak (be it directly or indirectly) for the 'closure' of the school watch section, and it was a decision taken after consultation with all moderators. I do agree with getting rid of it, yes - but it wasn't just my decision folks.
lol like it or not you're the face of Ajarn.com
I've got no problem with that.
But this is a thread about the 'School Talk' section on the ajarn forum. The ajarn website and ajarn forum are seperate.
I hope 'school talk' stay open and accessible. Yes, some have an axe to grind at times, but it's still possible for discussion there. Cheers.
That might be the case as you see it but to us little men it's one and the same. A problem in the forum is a problem with BKK phil. ;-)
I think that Phil's personality is stronger than those that run this forum. Perhaps if he didn't post so frequently here and get involved with this forum that much, there wouldn't be the assumption that they are linked.
Yes, I can understand that.
But we do have plans to visibly seperate the two in the not-too-distant future. Once that happens, who knows, the School Talk section may well return bigger and badder.
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Yes, you're absolutely right. Maybe I do spend a bit too much time on here. But I do enjoy most of the banter that goes on on this forum. And you have to remember that I haven't stepped into a classroom or training room for about 5 years, so I don't get the chance to talk with teachers in a teaching room or 'feel the vibes' of actually being involved in teaching. So for the latest visa run info, teacher licencing laws, agent hanky panky, recruitment difficulties - and a thousand other teaching topics - I'm almost totally rteliant on what I read on here. It's a great source of info for me to use on the main site and at least make sure that there's a semblance of accurancy in what I put on there.
WTF? Do you think this a public service? If you're a frickin' moron and can't pick the wheat from the chaff, is it his problem? Have a bit of respect.
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